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lefty50

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Question on Storm's layout technique
« on: June 22, 2013, 08:25:26 AM »
I've mapped everything I have in terms of dual angle and am checking now using to Storm's layout to compare and see which makes the most sense for me. I've looked at Kloempken's video on YouTube but can't wrap my head around the second number, psa to pap being defined as "controls migration path". I don't understand the impact of the flare path migration....

Can someone explain that in different words for me?
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Re: Question on Storm's layout technique
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2013, 09:27:42 PM »
Thats the mb to pap distance which in the other system should be the drill angle.  Mo used that system along with others for years before going to the dual angle method.

If this helps the dual angle method uses degrees instead of inches. So pick your favorite dual angle layout and draw it up on the ball then use your tape and go through and measure the distances for the pin/cg/mb and now you know your Storm layout equivalent.
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Re: Question on Storm's layout technique
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2013, 10:24:31 PM »
Could we possibly come up with more was to confuse the bowlers on the simplest of tasks? It's a layout for gawds sake...not the nuclear launch codes
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Re: Question on Storm's layout technique
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2013, 10:57:05 PM »
Justrico are they not the exact same thing just done slightly different to get the same results? All the same rules apply in regards to pin placement, psa placement,  and xhole placement.
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Re: Question on Storm's layout technique
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2013, 11:04:51 PM »
That's exactly my point...everyone seems to need to reinvent the wheel or regurgitate the same crap to try and create hype...it's laying out a bowling ball plain & simple...and quite honestly it's not that difficult...everyone under the sun makes it that way...
Sorry to sound so terse but with so much conflicting information, all it achieves is confusion...
« Last Edit: June 22, 2013, 11:16:29 PM by JustRico »
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Re: Question on Storm's layout technique
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2013, 11:52:36 PM »
I think a lot more is put into the layout then necessary.  Ive been guilty of it. Thinking that if I change the pin location by a 1/2" or if I did something else it would make a world of difference.....it does not.
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lefty50

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Re: Question on Storm's layout technique
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2013, 12:42:59 AM »
Ric, you've been awfully angry lately.... Jeez. Please feel free to put me on your ignore list.

The rest of the comments miss the point of the question. Let me try again...

The phrase "Controls migration path"... Migration towards thumb, migration towards fingers... doesn't tell me anything.  Bottom line, what's the impact of changing the PSA to PAP distance.
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Re: Question on Storm's layout technique
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2013, 02:11:10 AM »
There can be as much detail or as little detail as you would like to put into something.

Lots of detail:
http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/images/0/06/Axis_mig_and_cores.pdf

The simple:
http://www.buddiesproshop.com/images/Drill_Sheets/Dual_Angle_Layout_Technique.pdf

When it says smallest angle of 10 degrees translates to the psa being close to the pap, when it says an angle of 90 degrees that is far away from the pap.

"The range of drilling angles to choose from is from a minimum of 10° and to a maximum of 90°.  A 10° drilling will roll the soonest of all the effective drilling angles.  A 90° drilling angle will roll the latest of all the effective drilling angles.   Always keep in mind ; the entire spectrum of effective drilling angles is from 10° to 90°.  Drilling angles of 30°, 50° and 70° provide drillings that roll up between the earliest rolling 10° drilling and the latest rolling 90° drilling.  "


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Re: Question on Storm's layout technique
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2013, 07:01:24 AM »
Lefty my comments are not directed at you by no means...it's the industry as a whole with information and misinformation...
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Re: Question on Storm's layout technique
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2013, 04:36:32 PM »

Quote from: JustRico on June 22, 2013, 11:04:51 PM
That's exactly my point...everyone seems to need to reinvent the wheel or regurgitate the same crap to try and create hype...it's laying out a bowling ball plain & simple...and quite honestly it's not that difficult...everyone under the sun makes it that way...
Sorry to sound so terse but with so much conflicting information, all it achieves is confusion...

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Re: Question on Storm's layout technique
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2013, 09:21:00 PM »
I firmly believe that average bowler cannot distinguish between layouts and should keep everything simple. Your pros and top amateurs can distinguish the differences between layouts. I see a lot of people tell a driller they need to lay the ball out this way and that way. Keep it simple.
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