Post by: Next Level PS on June 04, 2004, 01:48:39 PM
1) 3.5 x 2.5 layout with 800 surface with 31/32 X-hole 3" below PAP pitched 1.25 away from grip center 3" deep
2) 4.25 x4.25 layout with 1000 surface
3) 5.25 x 3.5 layout with 1000 grit shine X-hole on PAP
4) 6 X 5 layout with 2000 grit shine
Guys let me know what you think of these layouts.
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Post by: livespive on June 08, 2004, 02:38:30 PM
I am thinking about going to an al executioner lineup
(except for the slate blue for dry). I figure if you have a
ball with a core that you like, and know what it does
then you should stick with it.
My big reason for this came while bowling in a sports league.
I was using my charcoal drill 315 and it was scting past the
breakpoint the fist game. As the lanes broke down I was able
to use it more. I was thinking to myself that if I had another
315 with more surface I would have been able to play that area.
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Post by: solid9 on June 08, 2004, 04:58:05 PM
Post by: Next Level PS on June 09, 2004, 12:46:42 AM
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Post by: LuckyLefty on June 09, 2004, 01:20:39 AM
However I have not drilled mine to see what the solid accutread does to this core(I do have a Hot Rod drilled).
I always find I need some sort of a lower rg ball on a league type shot with carrydown. (Not necessarily on flat oil as the higher rg allows me to point!).
REgards,
Luckylefty
Post by: Next Level PS on June 09, 2004, 01:51:08 AM
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Post by: Next Level PS on June 09, 2004, 01:56:16 AM
quote:
It is hard for me to conceive of this ball with its higher RG being able to handle a longer oil shot with carrydown.
However I have not drilled mine to see what the solid accutread does to this core(I do have a Hot Rod drilled).
I always find I need some sort of a lower rg ball on a league type shot with carrydown. (Not necessarily on flat oil as the higher rg allows me to point!).
REgards,
Luckylefty
LL, remember drilling the pin under the fingers shortens the core height which lowers the RG. Plus with the 3 1/2 layout and 1 1/4 pitched X-hole has turned this into a pretty heavy rolling ball.
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Post by: Next Level PS on June 09, 2004, 09:02:07 AM
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FWIW, I think the Razor makes a great step-down ball from this.
I have a Hot Wire very close to your #3, which has some length and a big backend turn. The problem with this ball is that it goes away all at once, very little warning, so I need a step-down.
I have basically a label-shift Razor that is great for this task. It rolls up a little quicker in box and doesn't have quite the backend. It is a totally different look that isn't quite as strong. I think this cover does a little better on carrydown than the Accu Tread. Just my opinion.
BrainN, I can not see the Pro-Glide cover working on carry-down. this cover hates oil. If I see the ball start to wiggle at the break I usally scuff the last two flares.
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Post by: pjr300 on August 30, 2004, 10:35:20 PM
Hey, nice thread... are you still sticking with this plan? Curious if #4 still works well for you on dry....thx!
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Post by: pjr300 on August 30, 2004, 10:43:02 PM
But I can't see this working with something real strong, like a Rule or an Ultimate or a Phenom...too strong for the dry (i think).
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Post by: Next Level PS on August 31, 2004, 12:13:20 AM
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Hey, nice thread... are you still sticking with this plan? Curious if #4 still works well for you on dry....thx!
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Post by: Next Level PS on August 31, 2004, 02:24:07 AM
Yeah, I believe my rev rate is around 4 and a quarter.
by the way I thought Mo pinel is Yoda, you're Lukeskywalker, I was....I was I'll be the black guy, what's his name the guy Billy Dee Williams played...yeah Him.
KOTM your the best
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Post by: pjr300 on August 31, 2004, 07:39:31 AM
So many questions!!!
First, who's coming to Livonia MI? And when? That's my stomping grounds! And what's the TNBA?
Second, King, how do you make a Rule go straight?
And Third, (to Next Level), are you saying that going to 15 lb make the Hotwire less effective? Why?
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Post by: LuckyLefty on August 31, 2004, 08:22:40 AM
Mostly lower rg are winning despite the lack of midlane oil.
Supercharges, Icons. On the left where there is less oil???? wha, Triple XXX, Fuze Ignitor, sometimes polished Icon2.
I'm sure there are rg lowering ideas but why force it when there are cores that easily are working on this condition. All lower rg.
REgards,
LUckylefty
Post by: Next Level PS on August 31, 2004, 10:28:11 AM
Prj300 I think you can make a Rule go dead straight by placing the pin 1 1/2 from the axis. I believe this will stablize the core it will maintain tilt and rotation.
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Post by: pjr300 on August 31, 2004, 10:38:41 AM
Thanks Next Level! Looks like they have a national tournament coming to Detroit in 2005. If it's in Livonia, I'll bet it's at Clover Lanes. Kinda large site, built in the 60s, wood lanes, with 32 lanes on each side.
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Post by: Overhand on August 31, 2004, 10:58:55 AM
i want to know how you quickly the four hot wires apart; engravings? ball bag colors? different color plugged identifer holes?
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Post by: charlest on September 01, 2004, 09:27:57 PM
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Yeah, I believe my rev rate is around 4 and a quarter.
Of course, sure, on a bad day with a broken thumb, it may be 425 ...
(Don't forget - there are witnesses here who saw you throw.
)Next Level has one of the highest rev rates, considering the overall smoothness of his release, that I have seen in a long time, that includes even watching PBA level players for 20+ years.
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by the way I thought Mo pinel is Yoda, you're Lukeskywalker, I was....I was I'll be the black guy, what's his name the guy Billy Dee Williams played...yeah Him.
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Post by: charlest on September 01, 2004, 09:30:37 PM
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It is hard for me to conceive of this ball with its higher RG being able to handle a longer oil shot with carrydown.
Luckylefty
With a 2x4 Hot Wire, it is easily conceivable, IF you saw Lonce (Next Level) throw with his "Normal" release.
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Post by: Next Level PS on September 02, 2004, 02:26:20 AM
King your still#1
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Post by: Next Level PS on September 02, 2004, 12:00:39 PM
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