Author Topic: Interesting Cell Drill (Read 5001 times)

uberamd · « **on:** February 25, 2009, 07:20:00 AM »

Have any of you seen a drill like this on any ball (Cell specifically), and if so, how would you expect it to react off of a lefty's hand (you can even just ignore the track and just say what you think of the layout)?

Pic: http://images.phpsn.net/images/1014celldrill.jpg

Yellow = pin
Red = CG
Green = MB
Gray = Track (lefty)

Just wondering, I've never seen or heard of a drill like this before.
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abrown · « **Reply #1 on:** February 25, 2009, 03:22:01 PM »

a supped up full roller layout

uberamd · « **Reply #2 on:** February 25, 2009, 03:36:11 PM »

What if you aren't a full roller? Would this still just be smooth and early?
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cheech · « **Reply #3 on:** February 25, 2009, 05:45:42 PM »

i have something like that on my blue vibe. the pin is way farther away from the fingers though. i also track almost on top of the fingers/thumb. (PAP 5 7/8) the pin is roughly 1" from PAP. very smooth and early
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JessN16 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 25, 2009, 06:11:41 PM »

I'm just trying to figure out how the guy is releasing the ball to get it to track like that...

Jess

ON EDIT: That's not much different from a Girard layout, by the way. Move the pin to 1 inch under the thumb instead of just over it (which will move the MB closer to the fingers) and you have something very close to the Girard.

Edited on 2/25/2009 7:12 PM

clovismaul · « **Reply #5 on:** February 25, 2009, 06:33:35 PM »

That is a type of full roller layout or someone that has a very low track?
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uberamd · « **Reply #6 on:** February 25, 2009, 07:21:53 PM »

Thats the thing, I track close to my thumb hole on a normal ball, and a bit further from my finger holes, I threw this one and when it hit dry it started to track directly over the thumb holes. My driller told me to try it on a condition with more carry-down as that was its intended use, and to get back to him. I understand how more carrydown would cause the ball to move less, but it was tracking over the thumb a lot when it hit dry which concerned me. Again, my usual track is close to the thumb.

I will give it a try on the conditions he recommended as the man hasn't lead me wrong yet, and he does do a great job drilling.

Pic of my normal ball and normal track: http://images.phpsn.net/images/6976modified_bwb.jpg
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charlest · « **Reply #7 on:** February 26, 2009, 08:16:21 AM »

I don't know where you guys are pulling this information out of, but I have an idea.

Especially with strong mass bias balls, you can't tell anything about the drilling when all you have to go by is the position of the pin & the MB with respect to the holes. It means NOTHING! Not one blessed thing. You have to have the bowler's PAP coordinates and the distances or angles involved to even begin to guess. Then you have to add tilt, ball speed and all the other factors to begin to get an idea.

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Dan Belcher · « **Reply #8 on:** February 26, 2009, 08:26:03 AM »

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I don't know where you guys are pulling this information out of, but I have an idea.

Especially with strong mass bias balls, you can't tell anything about the drilling when all you have to go by is the position of the pin & the MB with respect to the holes. It means NOTHING! Not one blessed thing. You have to have the bowler's PAP coordinates and the distances or angles involved to even begin to guess. Then you have to add tilt, ball speed and all the other factors to begin to get an idea.

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Normally true, but did you look at the picture Jeff? It's a full roller style layout, the pin is next to the thumbhole. We can definately get some fairly useful generalizations from that, unlike most normal layouts.

uberamd · « **Reply #9 on:** February 26, 2009, 09:18:47 AM »

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I don't know where you guys are pulling this information out of, but I have an idea.

Especially with strong mass bias balls, you can't tell anything about the drilling when all you have to go by is the position of the pin & the MB with respect to the holes. It means NOTHING! Not one blessed thing. You have to have the bowler's PAP coordinates and the distances or angles involved to even begin to guess. Then you have to add tilt, ball speed and all the other factors to begin to get an idea.

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Normally true, but did you look at the picture Jeff? It's a full roller style layout, the pin is next to the thumbhole. We can definately get some fairly useful generalizations from that, unlike most normal layouts.

Thats what I am a bit concerned about. I realize its hard for people to get the idea of what its supposed to do, so I drew a track line indicating what it does. However, the second I hit dry, the ball goes over the thumb hole and thumps a lot.

I trust the driller, he told me to try it on broken down conditions (heavy carry down), my fear however is that this ball will be so condition specific, I will never be able to use it, maybe but a few times a year, max. Especially since I am not a full roller, at all.
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Edited on 2/26/2009 10:19 AM

nospareball · « **Reply #10 on:** February 26, 2009, 10:41:51 AM »

quote:

I trust the driller, he told me to try it on broken down conditions (heavy carry down), my fear however is that this ball will be so condition specific, I will never be able to use it, maybe but a few times a year, max. Especially since I am not a full roller, at all.

Which would be fine if you had a ton of balls in your arsenal, and needed one for such an occasion. But the Cell is pretty decent on carrydown anyway, so why put a funky drill on it and limit it's use on regular conditions?
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Roy Munson · « **Reply #11 on:** February 26, 2009, 12:57:31 PM »

. . . I'm not a driller but that looks like a lefty label drill
. . . with flipped core, but since the core is symmetric
. . . it may behave like a simple lefty label ... ??
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