Author Topic: No Thumb Drilling (Read 4660 times)

kalannar · « **on:** November 22, 2005, 03:13:40 AM »

Hey Guys,

Before you go no-thumb bashing, I am just doing this as an experiment ans to have fun. I have been bowling really inconsistant lately and we got a bad batch of oil so the have been messing with oil patterns on us almost every week to combat it. Well they opened a new can of oil last night of the same brand we have been using but it was a different consistancy than before. The old can was a lot thicker. Last night the oil was nice and stayed all 3 games even though I was throwing my H2O to fast for the condition and couldn't use anything else because of finger insert problems. I ended up throwing no thumb the last game with the H2O and shot 209 after 138, 165 the first 2 games. I was actually throwing more accuarate that way. I am thinking of switching to this because the way I am throwing the ball lately. :-(

What type of drill pattern would you suggest for ane extremely high track (almost between fingers over thumb hole), high revs, 60Â° axis rotation, and speed about 16 mph at the pins. I am thinking about getting a 14 lb ball for doing this. I can throw a 15 like this but am a little tired after doing it. Let me know what you think. Please no bashing the no-thumb. I actually throw more accuarate this way than I do with one hand right now and my speed is a lot more consistant as well. Because of the way I am throwing the ball my average is down over 15 pins from last year. Just thinking of trying something different until the new year and shacking it off as bad bowling.

Thanks,
Mike

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louie · « **Reply #1 on:** November 22, 2005, 11:30:07 AM »

I've found that the best drillings for a no thumber are simple drillings. Usually pin an inch to 2 inches right of ring finger (righty) and cg back toward span. Basically label seems to work best.
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kalannar · « **Reply #2 on:** November 22, 2005, 05:34:17 PM »

Does this make the ball even snappier than say a cg out drilling like I have on my normal equipment? Right now everything is drilled pin near ring either to the right or above with the cg out. What so you think.

Kalannar
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louie · « **Reply #3 on:** November 23, 2005, 07:00:18 AM »

Cg out drillings tended to roll early for me. You may not find the same thing to be true for you. Your no thumb pap will be really far over. Often 6 inches+. If you put the pin above ring you will get very little flare and a very skid snappy reaction. You're better off with weaker balls drilled with a 4- 5 inch pin to pap.
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Edited on 11/23/2005 7:51 AM

kalannar · « **Reply #4 on:** November 23, 2005, 07:14:58 AM »

Thanks louie,

I am going to see if I can find a cheap used 14 lb ball this weekend for experimentation. Do you have any recomendations on week bowling balls that you prefer? I am getting an old Black U-dot for free for regular bowling but that is going to be to heavy for this. I was thinking maybe something like a crossfire from Ebonite or something along that lines. I think the local proshop guy here can get really good deals on them right now. What do you think?

Thanks,
Mike
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louie · « **Reply #5 on:** November 23, 2005, 07:28:05 AM »

The Crossfire might work. A lot dependens on your oil volume and friction level. I personally have done best with polished high rg and low differential balls on shorter patterns (Sonic X, Hot Rod Hybrid). On more oil I have done well with higher Rg, higher diffferential balls with more cover (Power Groove Proactive, Impact Zone). Good luck! Let me know what you drill up.
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kalannar · « **Reply #6 on:** November 23, 2005, 08:53:50 AM »

Right now on our pattern, I could get away with using a Black Cherry Bomb hit with a grey scotch brite or my Cherry Pearl C2. The H2O is going to long to use it with my speed using a normal release. I am getting my new inserts in on Friday so hopefully I can use them again consistently. They have added more oil to our pattern so they are fairly wet. I tried using the BCB and CP no thumb but they both took off to early on me but this was also the third game with 10 people bowling on the lanes. Here is what our pattern consists of: it is number 12 on a Phoenix machine (if that helps) 37' top hat machine strips all the way to the pins and back then lays the oil to 37' and then oils coming back again. So we have squeaky clean backends the first game is an understatement. Everybody seems to like the new pattern these last couple of weeks so hopefully they will stick to it. Doug Sterner has a used 14 lb Roto Grip Silver Streak Solid that sounds interesting. What do you think of that? I don't want to spend to much money on this since it is just an experiment. ;-) Plus after the Black U-dot I'll be at 4 balls and the wife will start to get a little upset with more. ;-) let me know what you think.

Thanks,
Mike
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louie · « **Reply #7 on:** November 23, 2005, 09:16:41 AM »

The silver streak solid might work. I have a 14# Granite Gargoyle you could have for $50 shipped. Polish that up and it should work on that type of pattern. It's single drill. You can see my review of the ball for specifics.
Best wishes.
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kalannar · « **Reply #8 on:** November 23, 2005, 09:26:03 AM »

I looked at the picture in Doug's used imageas and the Silver Streak looks like it has a 5-6" pin. The pin in the picture is above the bridge and the CG is below the thumb. He also has a 14 lb Columbia Wild that fits your description of high RG low Diff. The Granite is a particle and so far I have not matched up well with particle equipment. I will check out your review and let you know. I'll keep looking and see what I can find.

Thanks,
Mike
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smokedogg · « **Reply #9 on:** November 23, 2005, 09:26:54 AM »

I bowl with no thumb and I get my equipment drilled with the pin 2 inches right of the ring finger. On heavy oil I bowl with my 15lb deuce and get a good smooth reaction to the pocket. People used to bash me in leagues for bowling like this but when the see how consistant(sp) I am they don't anymore.

louie · « **Reply #10 on:** November 23, 2005, 10:04:45 AM »

The Granite is indeed a particle. Polished it gets good length and a mild backend. You will need something like that with wet heads and 20+ feet of squeaky clean backends. Pearls will probably be too jumpy. Anything with a strong backend will tend to be over/under.
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kalannar · « **Reply #11 on:** November 23, 2005, 10:34:15 AM »

louie,

I checked out your reviews and I am looking into the Power Groove Black Sparkle right now. Seeing as how they are only $60 brand new that isn't to much to invest but I will keep looking. The way the pattern was playing Monday Night, my H2O was working quite well. I did have one that I got way to far out that broke late and made it back to the pocket that left a stone 9 because of the extreme angle that it came in on (would have carried the 8 pin by itself) but other than that it worked good. I do like the idea of a polished particle though, after reading your reviews, for the first 2 games.

Is your Granite drilled with a thumb or not? I know it is harder to drill without a thumb because of different static weight requirements but it is easier to modify. Let me know.

One other thing, I did use a friends Crossfire with a 2" pin drilled with pin above the bridge with cg straight below on grip center line and it had a very mild reaction to it. I know this could casue problems with flaring the wrong way because of the extreme distance from the PAP. But have you tried anything drilled like this?

Thanks,
Mike
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So do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

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***Cherry Pearl C2***
***H2O***

Edited on 11/23/2005 11:27 AM

louie · « **Reply #12 on:** November 23, 2005, 10:48:07 AM »

I tried that drill with an overseas Rhino once. It is so close to pin in track that it basically takes the core out of play. It was good for drier lanes. Very condition specific drill in my experience.
The Black PG is what I am using in league right now. It is a very unique combination of core and coverstock. Mine is polished right now and is working better than anything else I have. I'm bowling in a house with 20 year old synthetics. Lots of grab around ten and much slicker everywhere else. This is the only ball I've tried that gives me area and SOME carry on this shot.
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kalannar · « **Reply #13 on:** November 23, 2005, 03:29:23 PM »

Hey louie,

At lunch today I checked out the price on a Black PG at the shop on base and they sell them for $90 drilled plus inserts (which I have my own). He just put in an order for some more of them so it looks like that might be my option for now. I am going to work on my release and see if I can get it to be closer to my normal track and not over the finger holes this weekend. Maybe in a couple of weeks I will be able to get into the "Groove" and try this out. I am going to try and keep the pin about an inch from the fingers so I can use it with a normal release also.

Thanks for all of your info.

Mike
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So do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

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***Cherry Pearl C2***
***H2O***

kalannar · « **Reply #14 on:** November 29, 2005, 08:56:17 AM »

louie,

I just bought azguy's used 14lb Power Groove Proactive for $30 shipped. It was his wife's ball and it is 2" pin drilled 2 o'clock to the cg. It should be here Thursday. Hopefully I will get to play around with it this weekend.

This is my new problem. Last night at league, our shot was the same but oil volume was the most I have seen in our area. My Black Cherry Bomb I hit with a green scotch bright during practice because it only moved a total of 6 boards going down ten. I have never seen this ball go that straight without taking my hand completely out of the shot. Ended up no-thumbing the cherry bomb the last 2 games and it was definitely way to much on the backend. Left 2 stone 9 pins. The Cherry Pearl seemed to react a lot better once they dried out a little the last game. Will the Power Groove still work on this type of condition or should I leave it more of a dull finish to combat the oil. I was seeing two people that throw the ball pretty well playing down 10 with an Ebonite The One.

let me know your opinion.

Thanks,
Mike
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That which does not kill us strengthens us.

So do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

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***Cherry Pearl C2***
***H2O***