Author Topic: no thumb layout (Read 8687 times)

Cjackson3396 · « **on:** April 24, 2016, 09:48:06 PM »

I need some ideas advice anything to give me an idea of what i need to do...seems everything i have drilled for me does opposite of what I want it to...

Speed: 17+mph
REV rate: No idea was told highest rate in the house though

ill get my pap measurements asap and post..my driller's pap is very similiar to mine his is 4 5/8 over....3/4 up

I have a hard time throwing straight up the boards my comfortable area is standing last dot of the left throwing 18-10board

everything i throw takes a very wicked left turn on the back end...I had a carnage drilled and it was a beast but we all know how that went...i had it replaced with a octane burn... now i need a pattern that can handle the oil drought when i hit it but still punish the pocket...so far no such luck...seems everything we drill over reacts and yes i know thats my fault because i throw the way i do.. today i had a tournament on a modified house shot 38ft minor concentration i would say because shot was gone by end of first game but anyways I started with a crux that a friend let me use when i could no longer use my carnage so that ball is not drilled at all for me...then went to my pitch blue for rest of the tournament and that ball turns quicker than the crux...so what im asking for is a high rev pattern that will slide through the heads and still hit hard for the octane without me killing myself trying to throw 20mph on dry patterns...I also have video of me throwing pyramid hybrid if that helps

Cjackson3396 · « **Reply #1 on:** April 25, 2016, 07:23:35 AM »

I was told about a 3 hole layout around the cg... would that work for me? was told it would be 6 balls in one since i could just switch holes for different reaction? Let alone is it legal i sure as hell dont want another carnage problem...and dont want to be arguing in the weigh in lines at nationals again either lol

dmonroe814 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 25, 2016, 08:43:19 AM »

Quote from: Cjackson3396 on April 25, 2016, 07:23:35 AM

I was told about a 3 hole layout around the cg... would that work for me? was told it would be 6 balls in one since i could just switch holes for different reaction? Let alone is it legal i sure as hell dont want another carnage problem...and dont want to be arguing in the weigh in lines at nationals again either lol

Currently it is legal. However, you cannot have an insert in the 3rd hole. So if you drill a ball that way, then you should not use inserts. I have thought about switch grip finger inserts, but having the sleeve in the 3rd hole could be illegal.

Cjackson3396 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 25, 2016, 08:51:02 AM »

ahhh ok thank you...the rules seem to change yearly for me lolone year my stuff was legal for nationals...the next everything had to be fixed. Sounds like there maybe a risk of a rule change on the 3 hole pattern coming then huh?

dmonroe814 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 25, 2016, 11:15:10 AM »

I don't think the rule will change. Most people can't bowl without inserts any more. Two of your holes are for gripping and the third is a balance hole. Balance holes are not allowed to have anything in them. FYI

bullred · « **Reply #5 on:** April 25, 2016, 12:39:10 PM »

Plastic or urethane is about your only option on the lighter patterns. You can use a resin ball on longer, heavier patterns (maybe). Seen a few potentially good two handers who could not generate the power and speed to project the ball, give it up on "house patterns". With your speed and revs, no drill pattern is going to help you with a resin ball and house conditions

Cjackson3396 · « **Reply #6 on:** April 25, 2016, 12:54:14 PM »

Thanks...yea been a while since i had no iserts but i used to be just fine with out them...do you have a suggestion maybe for a different drill pattern? The closest place i can go to get my rev rate and speed done right is about 1.5 hrs away otherwise its my local pro shop...he good at drilling but i dont think he keeps upon patterns let alone patterns that work for me...he can do whatever we are looking for suggestions.

BULLRED: So your saying its more of an equipment issue... Only ball i have drilled for me is the pitch blue which has alot more movement than i was expecting...dry pattern im in trouble....buddy of mine told me to get a plastic ball with a weight block in it...when the oil is fresh in our house its game on last week in league 296 226 174...Im all the way left throwing like I said 15-18board about 17-18.5 mph...those 3 game was with my buddies crux i think its a neutral drill...pin is above in between fingers.

Cjackson3396 · « **Reply #7 on:** April 25, 2016, 03:29:03 PM »

need special camera to get rev rate right? i have 2 more videos buttoo large i guess...one is with camera lane level but i would have to email them

Cjackson3396 · « **Reply #8 on:** April 25, 2016, 09:00:25 PM »

Ball comes in this week and i have a tournament may7th so what we think guys

S-70BreakPearl · « **Reply #9 on:** April 29, 2016, 11:25:01 AM »

Cjackson, Ive been drilling balls for no thumb bowlers for over 20 years just because you dont use your thumb doesnt mean you still cant drill the thumb hole as your balance hole. I throw the ball between 17.5-18mph PAP is 4 1/2 over 3/4 down I find what works best for me is lower daul angle drills like 25X4.5X 30 because of my ball speed and rev rate being fo high on both . IF you have any questions or would like some help laying out your next ball just shoot me a PM Id like to help if possible.. good luck

you are allowed to have slugs and tape in a weight hole under USBC rules Just a fyi

USBCs rules on gripping holes read carefully

6. Holes
a. Holes or indentations for gripping purposes shall not exceed five and shall be limited to
one for each finger and one for the thumb, all for the same hand. The player is not required
to use all finger holes in any specific delivery, but they must be able to demonstrate, with
the same hand, that each gripping hole can be simultaneously used for gripping purposes.
Any thumb hole that is not used for gripping purposes during the delivery would be
classified as a balance hole.
b. One hole for balance purposes, not to exceed 1Â¼ inch in diameter is permitted. (Slugs and
bowling tape will be allowed in balance holes, however interchangeable devices are not
allowed).
1) Any hole that cannot be reasonably shown to be used with a single hand is
classified as a balance hole.
2) Balance holes may not intersect gripping holes
c. One vent hole for each finger and/or thumb hole, not to exceed Â¼ inch in diameter is
permitted.
d. One mill hole for inspection purposes not to exceed 5⁄8 inch in diameter and 1⁄8 inch in
depth is permitted.

Bowler19525 · « **Reply #10 on:** April 29, 2016, 12:25:44 PM »

Have you ever tried a standard, pancake core ball with a resin cover such as a polished Columbia Scout/R? It will be way less dynamic than something with a true weight block. Something like that might give you the length you are looking for but still be able to handle a little oil. Just a thought.

kidlost2000 · « **Reply #11 on:** April 29, 2016, 02:23:04 PM »

Cjackson3396 When facing drier lanes how far are you having to loft the ball over the gutter to get the ball down lane?

Cjackson3396 · « **Reply #12 on:** April 30, 2016, 12:50:16 PM »

thanks guys really appreciate it..

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