Post by: Doug Sterner on January 18, 2006, 02:31:52 PM
I have drilled him a pin under ring, cg out Full Throttle and that wasn't enough.
Then drilled him a Total Shock & Awe max hook on Mo's sheet and that's not enough.
I need some help here. It seems that hem loves every ball he gets for about 3-4 weeks and then suddenly it's "dead" as he puts it.
Suggestions for a ball and layout? He has loads of talent but refuses to move and adjust. Just wants a ball that turns harder and hooks more when he can't get to the pocket.
Help?
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Post by: Next Level PS on January 18, 2006, 10:42:28 PM
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Post by: chitown on January 19, 2006, 12:23:58 AM
Post by: chitown on January 19, 2006, 12:26:37 AM
Tracks GP2 is great for heavy oil and is also a great ball for crankers. If he can't hook that ball in oil then he doesn't have many revs or way too much speed for his revs.
Post by: agroves on January 19, 2006, 02:44:11 AM
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Post by: CoachJim on January 19, 2006, 04:52:33 AM
The only thing I can suggest is a Tsunami and hear me out, the ball probably isn't encountering oil if the TS&A isn't moving, it is probably burning out. If this guy gets a ton of hand in the ball and wants something that will hook, this ball will snap a ton.
If it doesn't work, the Tsunami still is enough money to make it worth the headache on your part Doug.
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Post by: charlest on January 19, 2006, 06:43:04 AM
If he's bowling 3-4 time per week on TRUE heavy oil, all oil balls do absorb oil and lose reaction at different rates; he could be on REALLY heavy oil and they could be just sucking up the oil, if he doesn't wipe them down every shot and clean them after each session. But that seems unlikely, but not impossible, in just 3-4 weeks.
Have you examined these balls that no longer work? are they polished by oil? Have you tried to extract the oil by some method: rejuvenator, hot water, Hook Again, CPR?
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Post by: JohnP on January 19, 2006, 10:38:56 AM
Post by: Doug Sterner on January 19, 2006, 10:30:32 PM
In his words he's sick of "getting beat by equipment." Wants a ball to play his A game in the soup. I know it is unrealistic to throw 15 to 5 on heavy oil but I am hoping to locate somehting that will work better than what he has,...
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Post by: Brickguy221 on January 19, 2006, 10:44:58 PM
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Wants a ball to play his A game in the soup. I know it is unrealistic to throw 15 to 5 on heavy oil but I am hoping to locate somehting that will work better than what he has,...
Doug, I thought that is what the SCB was for????????
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Post by: stanski on January 20, 2006, 12:47:12 AM
quote:quote:
Wants a ball to play his A game in the soup. I know it is unrealistic to throw 15 to 5 on heavy oil but I am hoping to locate somehting that will work better than what he has,...
Doug, I thought that is what the SCB was for????????
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You thought wrong my friend, there is not a ball on the market that will let someone play a breakpoint of 5 on soup and carry with any sort of efficiency. You just cannot play a line with a breakpoint that far out and expect to have a whole lot of success (if it is true soup) unless it is really their day. Somehow, you've gotta convince this guy to move in and tighten up.
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Post by: Pin_Daddy on January 20, 2006, 01:26:56 AM
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Post by: agroves on January 20, 2006, 03:08:01 AM
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In his words he's sick of "getting beat by equipment." Wants a ball to play his A game in the soup. I know it is unrealistic to throw 15 to 5 on heavy oil but I am hoping to locate somehting that will work better than what he has,...
He isn't getting beat by equipment if hes trying to play 15 to 5 on the soup.
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Post by: 302efi on January 20, 2006, 04:48:34 AM
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Post by: Bluff on January 20, 2006, 02:40:21 PM
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Well guys he is a quality bowler but he does suffer from "modern bowling-itis"...also known as "I want to see the ball hook a tonnis"
In his words he's sick of "getting beat by equipment." Wants a ball to play his A game in the soup. I know it is unrealistic to throw 15 to 5 on heavy oil but I am hoping to locate somehting that will work better than what he has,...
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Take the S&A Down to 220 / 80 and tell him throw faster!!!
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Post by: Doug Sterner on January 20, 2006, 10:03:53 PM
1. very few bowlers have the hand/speed combination he does so it's tough to make comparisons
2. it is well known that he needs to soften the hand to get the ball to "stop spinning it's wheels" so to speak and back down the speed
3. The SCB is an option but again I think it's going to flare around the ball and leave him lots of nasty stuff unless I tame the drilling BUT he WANTS a "ball that will hook on anything."
Here's how I see it...
1. he needs to play the backend, not the oil. Get the ball thru the oil and find the ball/ line combo to get to the pocket
2. there are very few times when the lanes are oiled to the pins....so why the big hooking ball when you can GENERATE backend reaction?
I'll simply drill him a max leverage ball and then play with the surface.
Suggestions on balls other than the SCB? I suggested the AMB Particle but he doesn't want to "mess with the small companies."
Any others besides the Columbia Action?
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Post by: scottie on January 20, 2006, 10:47:37 PM
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Post by: JustinWi on January 21, 2006, 02:28:50 AM
Pin at 4.5" under ring finger...
PSA placement will take a bit of measuring, but place it halfway between his VAL and track...
Bring to .5oz side, standard X-Hole placement of grip center through cg to VAL. Shouldn't take too big of a hole.
Start with box, tune to 1000 abralon if it doesnt backend enough.
Reasoning-
A strike zone will provide traction and hook with control of a breakpoint where most of the reaction will come off the end of the oil.
Low 4.5" pin will provide roll but clear the heads nicely.
PSA placement will afford a strong reaction once friction is encountered.
800 may be checking early, 1000 will push the reaction back a touch, if needed rough buff it.
Just my 2cp...
P.S. How are things down there at Owego Bowl Doug, been a while sir!
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Post by: Pin_Daddy on January 21, 2006, 03:57:12 AM
As I said before, I think a Centrifugal Mass would do wonders...also just got Pure Energy Drilled today, and the thing is a monster...
Both balls would probably be good options
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Post by: charlest on January 21, 2006, 06:42:50 AM
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Well guys...
1. very few bowlers have the hand/speed combination he does so it's tough to make comparisons
2. it is well known that he needs to soften the hand to get the ball to "stop spinning it's wheels" so to speak and back down the speed
3. The SCB is an option but again I think it's going to flare around the ball and leave him lots of nasty stuff unless I tame the drilling BUT he WANTS a "ball that will hook on anything."
but Lane#1 is also a small company!
quote:
Here's how I see it...
1. he needs to play the backend, not the oil. Get the ball thru the oil and find the ball/ line combo to get to the pocket
2. there are very few times when the lanes are oiled to the pins....so why the big hooking ball when you can GENERATE backend reaction?
I'll simply drill him a max leverage ball and then play with the surface.
maybe rev leverage would get him an even earlier roll with tons of flare.
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Suggestions on balls other than the SCB? I suggested the AMB Particle but he doesn't want to "mess with the small companies."
Any others besides the Columbia Action?
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but the Action is not nearly as strong as many particle balls.
The Hawg is also kind of strong and early.
400 grit Strike Zone,
XXXcel is also strong, but
the SCB and the new AMB particle are as early and big hooking as they get.
On a personal note, Doug, my feeling is that, given this guy's personal "situation", this seems to have become a lose-lose proposition for you. I urge caution.
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Post by: DukeHarding on January 21, 2006, 09:08:35 AM
I'm selling a ball for a friend on eBay (XXXcel).
He is in the same boat as your customer.
He flares the whole ball when he gets on the ball.
He has been trying to solve this problem since I met him.
That was in 1996. He buys a new ball every 2-6 weeks.
Playing the twig for him is the 10 board.
He shot his first PBA regional at 16 and finished 2nd or 3rd.
He had a lot of talent.
He won't play what the lane gives him...he is stoill looking for "the ball".
He has had a Track Arsenal Reaction for 3-4 weeks....It stopped hooking.
He's now looking at the new Hammer equipment, I think he mentioned a "Road Hawg", or the Ebonite Big One...He has gone through msot drillers in Chicago.
He's a loosing situation for a ball driller.
Don't know if your guy is the same or not. Looking for the "Magic" ball?
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Post by: StrikeMonster on January 21, 2006, 09:31:13 AM