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JessN16

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315 layout experiment
« on: July 31, 2009, 07:34:07 AM »
I've pretty much done all the "trick layout" experiments (probably even invented a couple) but I hadn't drilled a 315 layout (link: http://www.bowlingknowledge.com/tips/mario/mario_315degreelayout.htm) yet.

I finally did this week. I found a short-pin Storm Attitude Shift, applied this drill pattern and then polished the stock grit (2000) with a heavy application of Storm ReactaShine.

I was able to get both the pin and the CG under the finger line, and drill the fingers deep, which coupled with a low starting top weight, kept me from having to drill a weight hole.

Tested last night on fresh medium THS. The drill pattern does exactly what it's advertised to do -- it produces a very mild arc on the backend and helps tame down the reaction without hitting weak. I was able to continue to go up the right side even after the lanes broke down. As an added bonus, I also retained a little bit of that Storm late-lane punch right at the pins to help kick out the corners.

With this drill pattern, the ball was a good bit weaker than my 900Global Break Pearl with a double-thumb, pin-over-bridge drilling. Both balls are at 2000 plus polish, but the solid Attitude Shift was still cleaner through the heads than the pearl 900G ball. The Attitude Shift almost acts as if it's being magnetically pulled toward the gutter through the front half of the lane, then changes to being smoothly pulled back to the pocket. Watching the graphics closely, you could see the point at which the ball appeared to "flip over," but without a really violent, uncontrollable flip.

Summary: Great control drill.

Jess

 

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Re: 315 layout experiment
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2009, 04:04:40 PM »
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Re: 315 layout experiment
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2009, 11:32:40 PM »
I have drilled a couple of 315's for a buddy of mine...one ball was a AMF Valor/P Tour and the other was an Enriched Uranium.

Both balls exhibited the same smooth arcing reaction with no semblance of any overreaction or snap on the backend.

As Jess said....great control drill.
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Re: 315 layout experiment
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2009, 01:07:14 AM »
hmmm i wonder how this drilling would work on a global 900 break with a 1 inch pin

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Re: 315 layout experiment
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2009, 01:21:51 AM »
Given the smooth/mild arc the layout provides, does that make the ball a not-so-good one when you need to play more inside?

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Re: 315 layout experiment
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2009, 01:57:11 PM »
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Given the smooth/mild arc the layout provides, does that make the ball a not-so-good one when you need to play more inside?


I haven't had it long enough to tell. I just drilled it Wednesday and used it for a couple of games Thursday. I'll be traveling this week so it'll be a couple of weeks before I have more info on that. Disclaimer: I'm not great at playing inside, anyway, so if it doesn't work for me on that line it wouldn't be a surprise.

I would surmise, from noting its reaction Thursday, that I would have to be pretty accurate to get it to work inside for me. But I don't feel I have enough information yet -- I had just started to get the newly-polished surface to break in toward the end of the set.

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Re: 315 layout experiment
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2009, 03:27:32 PM »
I think I'll have to try this!!  What's the top weight should I start with??
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Re: 315 layout experiment
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2009, 03:31:39 PM »
The lower the better... and, as far as I'm concerned, this is only a layout that applies to balls with a mass bias strength greater than 0.008.

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Re: 315 layout experiment
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2009, 05:01:10 PM »
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As J_Mac said, get the lowest you can find. The standard 315 drilling often ends up with both the pin AND the CG ABOVE the fingers, which makes it very hard to get the ball statically legal. I was able to get the pin under the middle finger on this ball and the CG under the ring and still get the MB in the 315 position, so I was lucky.

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Re: 315 layout experiment
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2009, 11:15:31 AM »
You can go with the Wiseman pattern. If you have a 1" pin and around 1-1.5ozs top weight.

Put the cg above the bridge and the pin below the bridge. Drill the fingers to cover the top weight.(usually not a problem)

Rolls very even, doesn't over react.

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Re: 315 layout experiment
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2009, 02:54:37 AM »
What if you would put this layouot in like a bounty hunter or a jigsaw and left the cover the same what kind of reaction would you get.

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Re: 315 layout experiment
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2009, 04:23:35 PM »
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What if you would put this layouot in like a bounty hunter or a jigsaw and left the cover the same what kind of reaction would you get.


I would guess the same reaction as my Attitude Shift except a little earlier overall due to the box surface grit.

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Re: 315 layout experiment
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2009, 04:38:44 PM »
ok would this layout work for someone who is a spinner.