Author Topic: Old School Layout (Read 5264 times)

Hitsomeballs · « **on:** January 27, 2008, 07:22:13 PM »

Why doesn't any one use the old Axis/Leverage drilling? Put the cg on the PAP and set the pin distance based on the pin out, then drill out the CG to get back to legal.

I have tried it out on a Strike Zone and was wondering why is this drilling not used anymore?

bluerrpilot · « **Reply #1 on:** January 28, 2008, 06:54:15 AM »

Because it is now realized that the cg locataion doesnt mean as much as we used to think it did.
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novawagonmaster · « **Reply #2 on:** January 28, 2008, 07:00:08 AM »

Never say never.
I have 2 balls drilled as mentioned.
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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #3 on:** January 28, 2008, 08:04:49 AM »

anndddd?

There reaction for you....is?

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charlest · « **Reply #4 on:** January 28, 2008, 11:27:57 AM »

quote:
Why doesn't any one use the old Axis/Leverage drilling? Put the cg on the PAP and set the pin distance based on the pin out, then drill out the CG to get back to legal.

I have tried it out on a Strike Zone and was wondering why is this drilling not used anymore?

Because most people don't need that early a roll. Balls are much stronger and much more versatile than they used to be.

If you ignored the MB on the Strike ZOne, you're missing out on a GREAT deal of versatility and flexibility. It has a medium-strong Mass Bias rating which means the CG marking and any reference to it are virtually insignificant. It also means you got VERY lucky to get a good reaction out of that drilling. Of course, maybe your driller did not totally ignore the SZ's mass bias.
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triggerman · « **Reply #5 on:** January 28, 2008, 11:32:30 AM »

I have that drill on my tsunami and it is money on a spotty lane, on fresh house shout i can go straight up ten if needed, as the lane transitions i maintain area with that drill, it is very predictible and doesnt lose anything on the backend, it is a smaller backend but i can continue to more left and not lose any of the hit. for being a supposedly early rolling drill, mine gets down the lane a long way before commiting to a move
on edit the tsu is a weak MB ball but in order to maintian some of that mass bias i swung the mb back towards the thumb, this results in pin directly above my pap 2.375 (pin length) cg 1/2" left of pap and mb in line with thumb roughly 1" right of thumb, huge crater on my pap
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Edited on 1/28/2008 12:34 PM

novawagonmaster · « **Reply #6 on:** January 28, 2008, 12:33:43 PM »

quote:
anndddd?

There reaction for you....is?

Regards,

Luckylefty
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I have a Lane #1 Solid Uranium drilled CG axis, pin right of ring finger (3" pin-out ball, so pin is 3" from PAP). A large weight hole was required on the axis.

I use this ball for my Sunday afternoon league. The house puts down a 43-foot heavy THS on synthetics with squeaky backends. The U-solid gets into a good roll nice and early, but it does not quit. There is still a nice arc to the pocket on the backend, and the hit and carry is very good.

The other ball I have drilled like this is a Lane #1 Carbide+. This one goes a little longer before picking up the roll, and is a little stronger on the backend. Still, it is very much a control ball for me.

Yes, I am a stroker...this drill may not work well for some players, but I like it when the conditions are appropriate.

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JessN16 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 02, 2008, 04:27:37 PM »

I have that drill on an old AMF XS (almost; the CG is about a half-inch left and below of where the weight hole ended up...everything else is as you mention). I used it this past week in the third game and was scoring where no one else could. Great for going straighter when the lanes are so wild you can't get a consistent break point from a swing shot.

Since the XS is very old, I'd say to put it on a very tame polished solid and try it. I wonder how it would work on a Roto Grip Mercury.

Jess

AdrianS · « **Reply #8 on:** February 10, 2008, 10:06:15 PM »

On stuff like Pulses and Triton Heats it was $!! I wont go that strong with the pin now though
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Hitsomeballs · « **Reply #9 on:** February 11, 2008, 09:59:08 PM »

I am going to try it on a FURY, pin is 4.5" top 2.3oz. Will take the surface to to 2000, no polish. Haven' decided if i put the pin above fingers or just below.

I really like the strike zone axis/leverage 3"pin, 2000 abralon, but I'm looking for something to handle carry down. I want to throw the Fury, to battle the carry down, then go to the SZ when they break down to stay on the same line.

Carry down has killed me the last couple of tournaments, I go about 3 years without seeing very much oil, now they lay it down which allows me to square up the lane better, but the carry down kills me till the lanes breakdown a little. I bowl short 3 or 6 game tournaments, you can't start searching for a better line without giving up a game or worst carry. I try to find a line that carries then stay there as long as possible.

Russell · « **Reply #10 on:** February 11, 2008, 10:10:16 PM »

quote:
Why doesn't any one use the old Axis/Leverage drilling? Put the cg on the PAP and set the pin distance based on the pin out, then drill out the CG to get back to legal.

I have tried it out on a Strike Zone and was wondering why is this drilling not used anymore?

Because they don't roll good....the coverstocks and cores are completely different than they were 10 years ago....and they dont need drillings that strong to get them started.

You're going to drill yourself something to throw when you wanna practice 10 pins....because you're going to leave a lot.
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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #11 on:** February 12, 2008, 06:21:45 AM »

I have NEVER heard of an axis leverage drilling handling carrydown well.

It is my visual view and others opinions to me that this type of drilling is ideal for flying backends and runaway fresh shots.

Carrydown...have seen this drilling leave weak 10 after weak 10 for the righty!

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Rev_O · « **Reply #12 on:** February 18, 2008, 12:37:22 AM »

I have not tried it in the past 4 yrs, but I used to use this layout almost relgiously on the early reactives. I had a Dynothane Special EFX with this layout, and it was a great in between ball or also great for when the heads went away. I'm sure it still works with todays technological advances!
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Hitsomeballs · « **Reply #13 on:** February 23, 2008, 01:17:26 PM »

Just drilled a Fury axis/leverage. pin distance was 4.25. Took the cover to 2000 abralon. Flares about 6". Clean through the heads, with a strong arc to the pocket, not a skid/snap reaction.

Thrown on typical league shot and it rolled great. It perfectly complements the strike zone drilled the same way. As bad as I have been throwing the ball, shot well for the two games I used it, 265, 243.

I drilled this out so it can handle carry down, being able to move right to get the ball to finish at the pocket, but not over react if I get it too early into the dry. Next time I see carry down, I think this will work for what I need.

Strike Zone was polished after 1200 white scotch brite.

Fury (36, out to 10) was 6 boards stronger with my feet than the strike zone (30 out to 10). This drilling gives more control on the midlane and backend. It is similar for me when compared to the pin under fingers drilling with a cg down and wight hole down, but this drilling gives a stronger back end reaction.

This drilling may not be necessary with todays stronger equipment (cores/coverstocks) but it still gives the same predictable reaction as in the past.

Just like with any other ball/drilling, if you can't carry then maybe its the ball you need to change or the line your playing.

AdrianS · « **Reply #14 on:** February 23, 2008, 10:37:40 PM »

Am very tempted to try it on an Ebonite Ice im drilling soon(hopefully tomorrow)
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