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TeeP Nade

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one lift and one oval?
« on: February 11, 2015, 08:09:24 AM »
has anyone every tried one lift and one oval fingertips? i know when your drilling the lifts it adds a quarter forward, so their'd have to be a difference in pitch but i was thinking use a lift on the ring finger to get more rotation and an oval on the middle finger so it comes out clean. i heard you get all your rotation from you ring finger, that's what made me think of trying this
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Brickguy221

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Re: one lift and one oval?
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2015, 11:51:51 AM »

I have tried at times what you mentioned, and for what ever reason it didn't do much for me. I might be wrong here, but if you put an oval in MF and lift in RF, that would be sort of like increasing the length of RF and have same type grips in both fingers, but I could be wrong here.

I originally used lifts in both fingers, but recently switched to a lift on MF and oval on RF for better comfort and feel on the pads of my fingers. This could be a sign that maybe I need a bit of reverse pitch in RF?  I am old and my fingers not as limber as they once were.
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Re: one lift and one oval?
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2015, 12:00:42 PM »
Just curious as to why you wouldn't just work on more rotation with your release?   
There may be "band aid" fixes but ultimately your release will need to be adjusted.  There are many of us who practice coming out of the ball with varying amounts of rotation for various conditions.  Kinda like having an A game and a B game. 

I really doubt you'd see much difference by switching inserts, but if your brain believes it then perhaps you're going to release it differently.  And whether someone "pulls" through harder with their ring finger or middle finger is going to depend on the individual.  I would imagine that my middle finger does more than my ring, but it's just me...
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Re: one lift and one oval?
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2015, 12:08:47 PM »
I do just the opposite.  I use Vise oval/power oval's & I turn the middle finger grip around to the power oval side.  Not sure if it accomplishes anything, but it feels right for me & feel is everything!
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Re: one lift and one oval?
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2015, 12:38:34 PM »
Quote from: notclay on February 11, 2015, 12:00:42 PM
Just curious as to why you wouldn't just work on more rotation with your release?   
There may be "band aid" fixes but ultimately your release will need to be adjusted.  There are many of us who practice coming out of the ball with varying amounts of rotation for various conditions.  Kinda like having an A game and a B game. 

I really doubt you'd see much difference by switching inserts, but if your brain believes it then perhaps you're going to release it differently.  And whether someone "pulls" through harder with their ring finger or middle finger is going to depend on the individual.  I would imagine that my middle finger does more than my ring, but it's just me...
not sure exactly how to "work on more rotation" espeically since i have high ball speed  figured if i had a lift in the ring, it'll force me to hold on to the ball longer(because of the lift) and i'll get more rotation on the ball
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Re: one lift and one oval?
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2015, 12:43:52 PM »
I bowled with a lefty a few years back who had one finger drilled using a lift grip, and the other finger was drilled no grips at all. He bowled very well and still does today using this same method. I never asked why, but he is comfortable with it and is successful.

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Re: one lift and one oval?
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2015, 01:10:26 PM »
TeeP Nade,

There are obviously people who have had success trying something similar, and I certainly don't have all the answers, so maybe you should try it on one ball as a test.

We're all very different so who knows what might help you.  Regarding your higher ball speed, that's a double-edged sword.  Just like changing your release you can teach yourself to slow the ball down without messing up your timing. 

A speed adjustment (up or down) can be every bit as effective as any other adjustment we make over the course of games.  For myself, slowing the ball down is as easy as moving forward a big step on the approach (and sometimes left or right, too) so I don't have as much momentum going towards the line.  When the lanes are slick it's invaluable.  Good luck as you move forward with your game.
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Re: one lift and one oval?
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2015, 01:40:43 PM »
Quote from: WOWZERS on February 11, 2015, 12:43:52 PM
I bowled with a lefty a few years back who had one finger drilled using a lift grip, and the other finger was drilled no grips at all. He bowled very well and still does today using this same method. I never asked why, but he is comfortable with it and is successful.

WOWZERS!

There is a man in my senior league that uses  grip like that. Grip on middle finger and no grip on RF. Like you, I never asked him why, but the next time I see him, I will do so if I don't forget.
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Re: one lift and one oval?
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2015, 03:05:50 PM »
A few years back, I switched to a lift insert on my middle finger and an oval on my ring finger. The comfort factor was huge. I don't think I've ever had a better feel, which in turn has made my release better. I did this though without adding pitch to my ring finger, just turning my grip upside down from lift to oval. Went back and tried it with a lift there a couple of times and hated the feel.
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Re: one lift and one oval?
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2015, 09:35:07 PM »
Quote from: TDC57 on February 11, 2015, 03:05:50 PM
A few years back, I switched to a lift insert on my middle finger and an oval on my ring finger. The comfort factor was huge. I don't think I've ever had a better feel, which in turn has made my release better. I did this though without adding pitch to my ring finger, just turning my grip upside down from lift to oval. Went back and tried it with a lift there a couple of times and hated the feel.
are you right handed? because i heard your supposed to get ur lift/ leverage/ revs from your ring finger? correct me if im wrong their. and i know using lifts adds a quarter forward so i dont think id try to just flip the grip around... might not release it and go flying down the lane with it
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Re: one lift and one oval?
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2015, 01:23:38 AM »
I'm left-handed, what could that possibly have anything to do with what is being discussed? Next, my equipment is drilled to accommodate pitched finger inserts. By going to an oval in my ring finger, I have found my grip is more comfortable and I seem to have my ring finger be deeper in the insert, giving me a better release. Switching back cannot cause me to not release as easily and make me "go flying down the lane with it." You either didn't comprehend what I had said or have a limited knowledge of ball fitting. There a lots of things people do that sometimes goes against common practice but still works for them.
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Re: one lift and one oval?
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2015, 10:41:42 AM »
Quote from: TDC57 on February 12, 2015, 01:23:38 AM
I'm left-handed, what could that possibly have anything to do with what is being discussed? Next, my equipment is drilled to accommodate pitched finger inserts. By going to an oval in my ring finger, I have found my grip is more comfortable and I seem to have my ring finger be deeper in the insert, giving me a better release. Switching back cannot cause me to not release as easily and make me "go flying down the lane with it." You either didn't comprehend what I had said or have a limited knowledge of ball fitting. There a lots of things people do that sometimes goes against common practice but still works for them.
"I did this though without adding pitch to my ring finger" u just flipped ur grip around which means u have a 1/4 forward in ur one finger and 0 in ur other
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Re: one lift and one oval?
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2015, 01:46:54 AM »
Yes, I ended up with zero in the ring and 1/4 in the middle.
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Re: one lift and one oval?
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2015, 10:33:27 PM »
Quote from: TDC57 on February 13, 2015, 01:46:54 AM
Yes, I ended up with zero in the ring and 1/4 in the middle.
didnt feel uncomfortable? i feel that with that much of a difference u'd feel uncomfortable
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Re: one lift and one oval?
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2015, 11:53:36 PM »
Actually don't notice it at all. The pitch is zero in both fingers to accommodate pitched finger inserts. I use a non-pitched oval in the ring finger and a power lift insert in the middle finger. Try it, it's not at all what you're thinking as far as comfort. Don't get caught up in thinking too much, that will always get you into trouble.
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