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Brickguy221

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Grip Question in Reference to RF
« on: July 09, 2010, 07:24:20 AM »
I have a grip question in reference to my RF.

First, I have balls with various spans from my experimenting last winter.

Some are relaxed span.
Some are longer than relaxed span, but short of being called stretched span.
Some have the same span measurements on both the MF & RF
Some have the RF span 1/16" longer than the MF

Now, here is my question.... I was messing around this week and inserted my RF only 1/2 - 2/3 of the way into the finger hole and not all the way in to the first joint from tip of finger.....To my amazement it made my ball way stronger with more revs as well as a way stronger on the back-end.

I did this with my current balls which has the span the same on MF & RF. It made such a difference that I decided to see what the effects would be on my other ball with a longer span and also the one with a 1/16" longer span on RF....The results were the same in that it improved their performacne likewise.

Does anyone have an explaination for this?

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Re: Grip Question in Reference to RF
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2010, 07:52:39 PM »
My view on this would be that a longer span has the potential to create a higher rev rate easier. More hand around the ball to rotate it.
Also the way you grip it differently can change the angle off your hand, thus change the rotational degree which increases response to friction thus possibly increasing angularity.
The downside....it can increase damage to the wrist and tendons by being stretched to hold onto it.
I would try a grip where your fingers are properly seated in the grips and increase your away pitch.
This is how I see it.....and without actually seeing it, perception can be different....
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Re: Grip Question in Reference to RF
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2010, 01:32:04 PM »
It sounds possible that you got more lift off your middle finger and less lift off your ring finger which would give you a higher axis tilt. That would appear as more revs and possibly cause the ball to pop on the back (with good back-ends or the right conditions ). especially if you had a very low axis before and compared that to a higher tilt now.
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Re: Grip Question in Reference to RF
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2010, 04:09:13 PM »
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It sounds possible that you got more lift off your middle finger and less lift off your ring finger which would give you a higher axis tilt. That would appear as more revs and possibly cause the ball to pop on the back (with good back-ends or the right conditions ). especially if you had a very low axis before and compared that to a higher tilt now.  


elgavachon, you nailed it in terms of the axis tilt as I did have a higher tilt when only inserting RF part way into ball which allowed me to get more leversge off RF when I released the ball and of coarse more "pop" on the back end. My axis tilt is lower when inserting RF in the finger hole normally compared to inserting it part way in as originally explained.

Now, what changes do I need to make to RF in terms of span and pitches so that I can insert RF into finger hole normally and not have to insert it partially in?.... Can anyone help here?
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Re: Grip Question in Reference to RF
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2010, 05:23:59 PM »
'I would try a grip where your fingers are properly seated in the grips and increase your away pitch.'
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Re: Grip Question in Reference to RF
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2010, 06:28:19 PM »
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'I would try a grip where your fingers are properly seated in the grips and increase your away pitch.'


Ric, do you mean to do both fingers on the away (reverse) pitch or just
RF? Right now I have 1/4 reverse MF and 3/8 reverse RF and finger pads do rest against grips when I insert my hand into ball prior to picking it up. Going to more reverse, would I have to increase span and if so how much span increase per each 1/8 increase in reverse pitch?
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Re: Grip Question in Reference to RF
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2010, 06:49:56 PM »
Rule of thumb is for 1/8" of span equals 1/16" of pitch.

So I would add an 1/16" to RF but 1/8" away in pitch...to see how it feels and then maybe another 1/16".
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Re: Grip Question in Reference to RF
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2010, 07:02:18 PM »
Well Jim I had Mo redo my fit this past season as you know and what happened was that he shortened my spans to the point that my ring is almost dead even with my middle finger.

The end result was more revs throughout AND an increase in backend reaction due to the added tilt from the shorter ring finger. I still don't have a lot of tilt but it's better than before.

Maybe you want to try a ball with a shorter ring finger span.....just a thought.
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Re: Grip Question in Reference to RF
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2010, 07:18:25 AM »
Have someone fit you that knows what they are doing and can work with your hand. We all have great ideas but until we see your hand and can see your flexibility and release we are all just guessing. It sounds like you would benefit from a drop ring finger layout which is what I use which is where the ring finger span is slightly shorter than it would normally be. Of course pitches and spans are based on flexibility so I would have to see your hand and work with you before I guessed accurately. Good Luck.
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Re: Grip Question in Reference to RF
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2010, 01:05:12 PM »
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Brickguy, I would redrill all my balls so only a small portion of my finger pads would be in the insert. After you "burn" all the tips on your fngers you can go back to a "normal" insertion. Bad idea!!!!!!  


Deadbait, I've seen your nonsense responses to people's questions many times on BR. When people post questions on this site, they are seeking help. If they knew the answers to their questions, they wouldn't post the questions. Maybe some questions to knowledgeable people like yourself seem like dumb questions, but to the person asking they aren't as the person is lost, doesn't know what to do and is seeking help, thus the reason they ask. Why not try giving helpful responses for a change and try to help the person asking for  help?
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Re: Grip Question in Reference to RF
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2010, 04:48:49 PM »


Hey Brick....

I remember you trying some different things last year with your grip. I am curious why you have different reverse pitches on the fingers of 1/4 and 3/8 on the ring finger. For most bowlers the grip pressure feels better by having the same reverse pitches on both fingers. It appears that your hand is flexible with all of the different span changes that you have made.

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Re: Grip Question in Reference to RF
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2010, 11:01:46 PM »
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Hey Brick....

I remember you trying some different things last year with your grip. I am curious why you have different reverse pitches on the fingers of 1/4 and 3/8 on the ring finger. For most bowlers the grip pressure feels better by having the same reverse pitches on both fingers. It appears that your hand is flexible with all of the different span changes that you have made.

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Jody, my middle finger is more flexable than my RF.
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Re: Grip Question in Reference to RF
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2010, 10:16:01 AM »

Brick...

I thought the flexibility might be the answer but I just wanted to make sure.
Billy Ray might be on the right track about the dropped ring finger. My total span is 4 7/16 on both fingers which is close to yours. I have a couple of balls that I moved the middle finger 1/16 and made the middle finger 4 1/2.
and left the ring finger 4 7/16. I don't really call this a dropped ring finger, it just fits my hand to what it calls for. I don't know if you have thought about a change with the middle finger instead of changing the length of the ring finger, which you tried. My big thing is to try and make the ball as comfortable as possible and still not be afraid to try new things. I did not realize more revs or backend motion, but my release and accuracy are better.

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