Author Topic: PAP Question (Read 4769 times)

MK · « **on:** April 19, 2011, 06:02:37 AM »

I recently had two different pro shops measure my PAP and one says I am 3 3/4 in and the other says I am 5 1/2 in.

Measurements were taken with about a week of each other.

How can that be?

MK

Stan · « **Reply #1 on:** April 19, 2011, 02:28:06 PM »

Think you better find a 3rd Pro Shop.

Strokewiththelefthand · « **Reply #2 on:** April 19, 2011, 04:23:03 PM »

PAP's can change depending on whether or not you were throwing the same ball when you checked. Ideally, you want to throw something with a low flare potential. However, seeing as how there was such a big discrepancy, I would do the aforementioned at both shops and see if they change. If you have a driller you trust then I'd go to that person. But paps can change drastically. I"ve gone from 5 1/2 to 4 1/16 to 5, just proof of such.

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MK · « **Reply #3 on:** April 19, 2011, 05:57:21 PM »

That helps.

I spoke to the 3 3/4 driller tonight and he swears I had a medium track oil ring on my ball when he came up with the 3 3/4 PAP. He agreed that it could not be right given that I am a high track bowler.

BTW. He took the reading from my Nano which was most definitely not a low flare ball (my bad). I will remember to use a low flare ball next time.

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ccrider · « **Reply #4 on:** April 19, 2011, 07:13:02 PM »

Don't get caught up in the high flare low flare hype. There are two sides to that argument. It is more important to use the same ball, to measure your PAP from set up to set up. Once you get the initial measurement, and set up a ball based on it, that will tell you more about what to do to get the reaction you want, based on that measurement, than whether you got your PAP from a low flaring ball or high flaring ball.

I am not a pro, but I can look at a bowler throw the ball a few times and usually guess close to what his PAP is going to be. There is a big difference between 33/4 and 5 1/2 and I don't think that any experienced driller is going to miss the mark by that much.

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icefiction · « **Reply #5 on:** April 19, 2011, 07:50:09 PM »

if you have them place a piece of white tape on the pap and then throw it, the tape shouldnt move at least the first 30ft

JohnP · « **Reply #6 on:** April 20, 2011, 08:24:01 AM »

icefiction wrote on 4/19/2011 7:50 PM:
if you have them place a piece of white tape on the pap and then throw it, the tape shouldnt move at least the first 30ft

Your statement depends on the ball and the layout. With strong balls and layouts I have seen the tape move in the first 5' after laydown. Unless you're using a low flare potential ball you can't watch the tape yourself - get an observer with a keen eye. If the tape "spins into" a stable position at some point down the lane, you don't have the right PAP location, you're catching a later flare ring's location. Move the tape until it's stable off the bowler's hand. -- JohnP

Cobalt Bomb · « **Reply #7 on:** April 20, 2011, 08:30:01 AM »

Used to be you could measure off the track worn into the ball, but with synthetic lanes prevalent, it takes a lot longer to develop a visible track. If you have a ball you use often and have not resurfaced, this may be an option. Also, a urethane ball is more likely to show oil rings more completely than a resin ball and make picking out the right one easier.

Hope this helps.

Andyman3333 · « **Reply #8 on:** April 20, 2011, 11:18:33 AM »

Best to use plastic ball and piece of tape. The tape doesn't lie. If it stays stable through the first 15 feet, that's your pap.

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Russell · « **Reply #9 on:** April 23, 2011, 06:15:26 PM »

yes the tape doesn't lie...the ball you're using doesn't matter. Funny thing though it is kinda tough to find on white balls. Had a customer throwing a Jigsaw the other day and even with a piece of black tape it was REALLY hard to follow the tape off of his hand....lol.

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JustRico · « **Reply #10 on:** April 23, 2011, 06:30:16 PM »

The truest read is as it leaves the bowlers hand.

Place a piece of tape on the PAP, it should not move as it leaves the bowlers hand. You need to have an wualified observer stand at the foul line and watch the ball coming off your hand.

This eliminates the issue of flare and oil dissipaiting from the surface.

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JohnP · « **Reply #11 on:** April 24, 2011, 04:11:37 PM »

"yes the tape doesn't lie...the ball you're using doesn't matter. Funny thing though it is kinda tough to find on white balls. Had a customer throwing a Jigsaw the other day and even with a piece of black tape it was REALLY hard to follow the tape off of his hand....lol.

I had the same problem on a Jigsaw. I finally took a purple Sharpie and colored the white tape and was able to see it. -- JohnP

batbowler · « **Reply #12 on:** May 13, 2011, 08:07:47 AM »

Rule of thumb is if you use a low flare ball like a plastic you subtract I believe 3/4" inch from you horizontal coordinates. If you use a ball that flares 1" to 3", you subtract 3/8" and if it's a ball that flares over 3" that is you pap coordinates. When I was at the Kegel training center in March my pap was different for the high flare and low flare balls that I took. I believe this is posted on bowlingknowledge.com. Just my $.02, Bruce

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batbowler · « **Reply #13 on:** May 13, 2011, 08:10:42 AM »

Also make sure he/she is at the lanes with a grease pencil to mark the 1st oil ring, cause it may evaporate/soak in the coverstock before you get back into the shop! I always take my grease pencil and armadillo to the lanes before the oil gets soaked up! Just my $.02, Bruce

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