Author Topic: pba bowlers throwing pin up? (Read 12637 times)

TeeP Nade · « **on:** February 11, 2015, 01:16:21 PM »

idk if its just the shows and people i watch but i'm seeing alot of pba bowlers use pin up either above bridge(mostly)or pin above ring is that just a better layout on sport conditions(besides real heavy oil) my favorite layout for my house shot is pin below ring finger but when i bowl on sport i use a lot of pin above bridge stuff and do well with it, is that just a coincidence or is pin up just better for sport?

SVstar34 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 11, 2015, 02:06:17 PM »

coincidence.

Each person is different. Each pattern plays different depending on lane surface and topography

Good Times Good Times · « **Reply #2 on:** February 11, 2015, 02:13:06 PM »

Quote from: TeeP Nade on February 11, 2015, 01:16:21 PM

idk if its just the shows and people i watch but i'm seeing alot of pba bowlers use pin up either above bridge(mostly)or pin above ring is that just a better layout on sport conditions(besides real heavy oil) my favorite layout for my house shot is pin below ring finger but when i bowl on sport i use a lot of pin above bridge stuff and do well with it, is that just a coincidence or is pin up just better for sport?

TRANSLATION:

I don't know if it is just the shows (and people I watch) but I'm seeing a lot of PBA bowlers use pin-up (above the bridge mostly or above the ring finger) layouts.

Is that a better layout on sport conditions (aside from heavy oil)?

My favorite layout for my house shot is with the pin below the ring finger, but when I bowl on sport patterns I use a lot of pin above the bridge stuff and do well with it.

Is it a coincidence or are pin-up layouts better on sport conditions?

TeeP Nade · « **Reply #3 on:** February 11, 2015, 02:48:54 PM »

Quote from: Good Times Good Times on February 11, 2015, 02:13:06 PM

Quote from: TeeP Nade on February 11, 2015, 01:16:21 PM
idk if its just the shows and people i watch but i'm seeing alot of pba bowlers use pin up either above bridge(mostly)or pin above ring is that just a better layout on sport conditions(besides real heavy oil) my favorite layout for my house shot is pin below ring finger but when i bowl on sport i use a lot of pin above bridge stuff and do well with it, is that just a coincidence or is pin up just better for sport?

TRANSLATION:

I don't know if it is just the shows (and people I watch) but I'm seeing a lot of PBA bowlers use pin-up (above the bridge mostly or above the ring finger) layouts.

Is that a better layout on sport conditions (aside from heavy oil)?

My favorite layout for my house shot is with the pin below the ring finger, but when I bowl on sport patterns I use a lot of pin above the bridge stuff and do well with it.

Is it a coincidence or are pin-up layouts better on sport conditions?

umm...k

Brickguy221 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 11, 2015, 04:04:23 PM »

Quote from: Good Times Good Times on February 11, 2015, 02:13:06 PM

Quote from: TeeP Nade on February 11, 2015, 01:16:21 PM
idk if its just the shows and people i watch but i'm seeing alot of pba bowlers use pin up either above bridge(mostly)or pin above ring is that just a better layout on sport conditions(besides real heavy oil) my favorite layout for my house shot is pin below ring finger but when i bowl on sport i use a lot of pin above bridge stuff and do well with it, is that just a coincidence or is pin up just better for sport?

TRANSLATION:

I don't know if it is just the shows (and people I watch) but I'm seeing a lot of PBA bowlers use pin-up (above the bridge mostly or above the ring finger) layouts.

Is that a better layout on sport conditions (aside from heavy oil)?

My favorite layout for my house shot is with the pin below the ring finger, but when I bowl on sport patterns I use a lot of pin above the bridge stuff and do well with it.

Is it a coincidence or are pin-up layouts better on sport conditions?

Pin below RF for me also GT

charlest · « **Reply #5 on:** February 11, 2015, 04:20:06 PM »

Quote from: TeeP Nade on February 11, 2015, 02:48:54 PM

Quote from: Good Times Good Times on February 11, 2015, 02:13:06 PM
Quote from: TeeP Nade on February 11, 2015, 01:16:21 PM
idk if its just the shows and people i watch but i'm seeing alot of pba bowlers use pin up either above bridge(mostly)or pin above ring is that just a better layout on sport conditions(besides real heavy oil) my favorite layout for my house shot is pin below ring finger but when i bowl on sport i use a lot of pin above bridge stuff and do well with it, is that just a coincidence or is pin up just better for sport?

TRANSLATION:

I don't know if it is just the shows (and people I watch) but I'm seeing a lot of PBA bowlers use pin-up (above the bridge mostly or above the ring finger) layouts.

Is that a better layout on sport conditions (aside from heavy oil)?

My favorite layout for my house shot is with the pin below the ring finger, but when I bowl on sport patterns I use a lot of pin above the bridge stuff and do well with it.

Is it a coincidence or are pin-up layouts better on sport conditions?
umm...k

The answer is ALWAYS "it depends" ...
on the bowler's release/delivery
on the oil pattern
on the ball being used

One other thing to note is that pin up locations tend (I emphasize "tend", it is not an always situation) to increase the dynamics of the core. Ball reaction depends, again, in general, on 3 major factors:
1. The bowler's release
2.the coverstock of the ball
3. the core's potential dynamics.

JohnP · « **Reply #6 on:** February 11, 2015, 07:33:39 PM »

Pin up drillings have a smaller angle to the VAL than lower pins. Smaller angles to the VAL (or smaller distances to the VAL using the Storm system) have quicker, "snappier" reaction to the dry at the end of the pattern. -- JohnP

billdozer · « **Reply #7 on:** February 11, 2015, 07:35:52 PM »

Idk I see a lot of pin down layouts...the only one I see consistently going pin above the bridge is rash..

TeeP Nade · « **Reply #8 on:** February 11, 2015, 09:32:20 PM »

Quote from: billdozer on February 11, 2015, 07:35:52 PM

Idk I see a lot of pin down layouts...the only one I see consistently going pin above the bridge is rash..

yea like i said maybe it's just the ones i watch, cause i dont watch as much pba bowling as others do. i kinda watch it now that football season is over if their's nothing else to watch. so maybe it's just me lol

Joker-1 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 11, 2015, 10:10:07 PM »

for pin ups i talked to machuga before and he said that one of the most common layouts (also following the bowler's paps and whatnot) is a pin up above the bridge with the cg kicked to the right or left if left hander about 15 degrees.

TeeP Nade · « **Reply #10 on:** February 12, 2015, 10:43:55 AM »

Quote from: Joker-1 on February 11, 2015, 10:10:07 PM

for pin ups i talked to machuga before and he said that one of the most common layouts (also following the bowler's paps and whatnot) is a pin up above the bridge with the cg kicked to the right or left if left hander about 15 degrees.

hmm wounder y that is... that layout normally dosnt hook at all for me, but maybe sometimes thats what they need i guess lol plus im sure most pba bowlers can generate a ton of revs if they feel the need

Joker-1 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 12, 2015, 12:20:00 PM »

He was explaining the whole idea is to have a control layout, something thats in the middle of too much hook vs too little or too much backend vs not enough

TeeP Nade · « **Reply #12 on:** February 12, 2015, 02:39:05 PM »

Quote from: Joker-1 on February 12, 2015, 12:20:00 PM

He was explaining the whole idea is to have a control layout, something thats in the middle of too much hook vs too little or too much backend vs not enough

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Rightycomplex · « **Reply #13 on:** February 12, 2015, 08:52:21 PM »

We are using the term pin up, instead of pin to PAP.... This frightens me. Most of what you see are long pin to pap layouts and short VALs for lower flare and later transitions. Most of those guys are using 5 1/2-6" pin to pap because they are trying to get the ball downlane but also not let it get sideways or in asyms creating a hook/set reaction.
Those types of layouts are necessary once you start to move in with 400+rpms.

kidlost2000 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 12, 2015, 11:07:55 PM »

RC I'm with you. It's the ball, pin to pap, and surface.

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