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LuckyLefty

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New concept for me on drilling weightholes
« on: January 21, 2006, 02:29:05 AM »
Always in the past I have focused on adding weightholes only if I had side weight to remove to make legal.

Typically if I drilled a ball with virtually no side weight (say pin over bridge and cg in grip center) I would not add a weighthole.

Well in our area due to lack of oil in the midlanes often we use fairly week drills and often don't like to have much cg kick out or we will get too much midlane(which we really don't need).  (These principals of course do not apply to Brunswiek balls which are governed by a different set of rules....called
CEEEGEEENOOOMADEEHHHHH).  They of course would not have more midlane with the cg kicked out!

Anyway a local proshop operator with big hand and drills straight over the bridge often told me...if these drills and balls are too snappy with these near straight up drills....."don't worry about it!  Just put a weighthole in."  "It will make the ball set up earlier and also then decide whether you want more backend or less".

I have a post out in the Columbia forun where a ball had virtually no side weight and little finger due to drilling the ring finger deeper.
I didn't like the reaction ....too late(pin up too high) and not enough kick!
So in desperation I said I'll try.....earlier(= weighthole) and more kick....past the VAL!

Here are the results

Columbia Wet Dry Superstar


The summary on this is the weighthole which is about an inch up from grip center and out past val....made the ball earlier and gave it more kick....changing it from a total dud to maybe my new go to ball.

I've opened my mind to taking balls negative or whatever it takes to improve performance!  

What a difference!

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LUckylefty
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LuckyLefty

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Re: New concept for me on drilling weightholes
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2006, 01:56:43 PM »
No comments...I can tell you guys have all been doin this all along...
No value.

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Luckylefty
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Re: New concept for me on drilling weightholes
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2006, 02:02:58 PM »
or can tell that we have all had our minds washed by brunswick so we all put 3/4 positive side to start with every ball we drill (in order to put a weighthole in if necessary).

Any time a ball does not react well after 2 surface changes, I punch a weighthole or put the weighthole deeper (depending on what I want out of the ball, what is wrong with it, and ability to do this). Only had to do it on 2 balls so far, but has turned subpar reactions into just what i was looking for.
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Re: New concept for me on drilling weightholes
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2006, 02:08:31 PM »
Using wt. holes on PAP is something I've done for a long time to help mellow a ball.  Only a year or so back did someone open my mind to the idea of off-PAP holes to enhance/change reactions.  A valuable tool, imo.
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Re: New concept for me on drilling weightholes
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2006, 02:13:39 PM »
This is awesome! Thanks LL and everyone else...

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Re: New concept for me on drilling weightholes
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2006, 02:22:27 PM »
I've been using this philosophy since about '96 when Mo explained to me how and why putting a "rev leverage" hole with low pins will not clip the fingers for my high track.

Probably over 95% of my balls have long pin to PAP distances.  Unless I'm going for a specific reaction beforehand (i.e axis leverage or "rico"), I'll swing the CG out, ON ALL SYMMETRICAL BALLS regardless of manufacturer, just enough to have about 5/8 to 3/4 side.  I then tweak the ball reaction accordingly with a weighthole depending upon how much flare I want and when.  I make sure that I go at least 3".

One of my favoriate layouts is the pin 6" from the axis with an extra hole 6 1/4" at a 45* angle down from the center of the grip.  The long pin delays the flare and the weighthole adds the midlane and backend flare.

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Re: New concept for me on drilling weightholes
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2006, 08:01:08 PM »
Hey...those are some interesting comments alright...


NOw  I hope I communicated my point somewhat OK...let me reiterate the key concept for me.

Many times I have put cg out slightly even on week pins to use the Brunswick concept of 3/4 side weight to allow easy tweaking.  However I've moved to an area that has such shockingly bone dry midlanes that I have found the principles of ceeegeeenoooomadeeeehhhhhh don't seem to work... But of course a lot of these are not Brunswick balls and CEEEGGGGEEEE DDDOOOOOMAAADAHHHH seems to really apply.

One just is really hesitant about getting the cg/mass bias kicked out very far!

SO many balls I have drilled have had either cg real close to the grip center.
Or like this ball though kicked way up(pin and cg) I had already put a deep hole in the ring finger.  I doubt this ball had much side weight at all.  Maybe a little finger and high late acting pin position.

BUT adding this high weighthole seemed to slightly early the reaction and also past val added a slight kick.  Supurb!

Point of post is weightholes seem to be able to be added to tweak even with almost 0 or neutral statics....pre weighthole!

I think of some of the pin over ring and cg in center of grip balls that I have drilled here that this idea would have eliminated some of the vicious move at the break point.  I may go buy em back just to test!

As far as principles....  According to my proshop local superstar...he claims all weightholes make a ball move earlier! On PAP or VAL usually add stability.

Holes past PAP usuallly add backend.  Holes inside pap increase early move and therefore decrease backend!

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Re: New concept for me on drilling weightholes
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2006, 08:21:08 PM »
LL is coming out of the Dark Ages? ...Weird!
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Re: New concept for me on drilling weightholes
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2006, 09:46:33 PM »
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No comments...I can tell you guys have all been doin this all along...


Pretty much, but it's helpful to repeat this information periodically for the newer users.  
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LuckyLefty

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Re: New concept for me on drilling weightholes
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2006, 11:57:38 PM »
I enjoy it also....but I also must say I think many Brunswick balls are outstanding....and I also have often followed the Brunswick 3/4 ounce of side weight idea so you can always tweak.

But this new idea (for me) I mentioned I am doing even with no static inbalance or should I say...even when I don't have side weight to take out!

REgards,

LUckylefty
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