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strikealot

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pin below the thumb...
« on: March 09, 2008, 01:11:26 AM »
i have seen a thread about this layout before on here...is it a control layout and has anyone tried this, what were the results if you have tried..

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Re: pin below the thumb...
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2008, 11:17:37 AM »
I've drilled several balls with this layout.  For me, I had my best luck using high-load particles (Goliath was my favorite).  This layout gives a ton of mid-lane and a "set" type of backend reaction.  This combo (layout and ball) was one of the best carrying for me in quite some time.  After the Goliath, I tried it on a Columbia Zenith (overseas particle pearl) and had a terrible reaction.  Either it would skate in the oil and not react at all, or it would react in the dry too early and take off.. I didn't seem to have any "middle ground" with that ball.  My last attempt with this layout was using a carbide+ buzzsaw.  I think I had a bad cover or something because that ball just rolled like crap and never really reacted, period (or maybe it was because I had 1/4 oz thumb weight and no side?).  I've been meaning to drill up another medium or high-load particle ball with that layout, I just haven't came across any with 5+" pins.

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Re: pin below the thumb...
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2008, 11:22:13 AM »
i have a carbide+ drilled strong and it rolls like crap to...never rolls actually..i was thinking a pearl with this layout, for drier lanes..
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Re: pin below the thumb...
« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2008, 11:38:56 AM »
Strapper and strikealot...just to fill you guys in...the Carbide + was the last Brunswick made ball and now you know why. The test balls Brunswick sent out to Lane 1 were WAYYYYY stronger than the actual production balls. This was the straw that broke the camel's back and forced Richie elsewhere...

FYI...I had 3 different C+'s drilled 2x4, 4x4 and 5x5 and none of them did anything significant for me. I changed the coverstocks until the lettering started coming off (ok slight exaggeration but you get the point)and nothing...just a bad ball period.

Sorry for teh hijack.... :-(
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Re: pin below the thumb...
« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2008, 09:01:42 PM »
I also went through 5 drills on two C+'s, and both balls were pretty much garbage for me.

I am curious enough about this drill that I may just give it a whirl. When I go to the lanes with a Rico & a Girard...people will think I went off the deep end
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Re: pin below the thumb...
« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2008, 09:37:54 PM »
I have a Dynothane Dynosaur here (ok it's on ebay right now) that was drilled with the pin at 6:00 to the cg. The pin is next to the thumb and the cg at 12:00 just above the midline.

I really wanted to plug and redrill the ball to fit me but never did. The previous owner stated that the ball was very long and turned VERY hard.

ANy ideas?
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Re: pin below the thumb...
« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2008, 01:57:09 PM »
This layout will get the ball into an early roll with a controllable hook motion off the dry. The more side turn you put on the ball, the more violent it will react to the dry boards. This is a great layout for heavy oil and/or wet dry conditions. =:^D

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Re: pin below the thumb...
« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2008, 04:14:13 PM »
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This layout will get the ball into an early roll with a controllable hook motion off the dry. The more side turn you put on the ball, the more violent it will react to the dry boards. This is a great layout for heavy oil and/or wet dry conditions. =:^D


Good to see you back T-God. Thought for a while you got chased off.

My Girrard layout loves side turn & yes The backend reaction gets more violent, but with hook-set forward roll at the very end. It goes through the pins like no other layout I've ever used. On drier conditions, it's just more of a heavy forward roll, but on THS with heavy oil in the middle, it can be skid flippy with side rotation. Just my take on it.
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Re: pin below the thumb...
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2008, 06:01:09 PM »
the return of T-GOD...thanks..i will be on shark in a couple weeks..this layout good idea or bad for shark...
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Re: pin below the thumb...
« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2008, 06:07:57 PM »
like my tropical storm ??
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Re: pin below the thumb...
« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2008, 06:14:46 PM »
yea similar to tropical...maybe with pin slightly closer to thumb...
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Re: pin below the thumb...
« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2008, 10:30:01 PM »
wow that's not quite like my Dynosaur....the DYno is stacked but shifted off jus like you would do for a 4x4 or something...the pin is just at 6:00 to the cg instead of 12:00.

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Re: pin below the thumb...
« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2008, 01:30:11 AM »
I just finished putting this drill on a Columbia 300 Reaction Roll (solid particle). My experience confirms the comments in the thread. Ball revs up nice, tons of midlane and then lays off really well at the back to keep from over hooking.

Mine has the pin about 1.5 inches below the thumb but my first 1-2 oil lines are still over the thumb, and I usually don't have anywhere close to an issue with clipping the holes. So pay attention to your pin/thumb distance.

My take is that it would be very useful for heavily oiled lanes, a heavy THS or for people with fewer revs than I have. I doubt I'll be using this ball much at all due to the (lack of) oil volumes I usually see.

I might try this drill on a less aggressive ball in the future, but I can see how it would give the impression of being a dud on a ball with too weak a surface. If you throw it through the mids there isn't going to be much recovery left on the back.

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Re: pin below the thumb...
« Reply #28 on: April 21, 2008, 12:16:47 PM »
Jess,  if the ball is dull, polish it up & I'll gaurantee a whole different reaction. You'll get more length & that dynamite angled forward roll look on the backend. Try it, you'll like it.
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Re: pin below the thumb...
« Reply #29 on: April 21, 2008, 06:30:40 PM »
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Jess,  if the ball is dull, polish it up & I'll gaurantee a whole different reaction. You'll get more length & that dynamite angled forward roll look on the backend. Try it, you'll like it.
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I've got a ball spinner coming next month and I intend to do just what you suggest.

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Re: pin below the thumb...
« Reply #30 on: April 21, 2008, 06:47:59 PM »
I have used this layout on quite a few balls with alot of success. First off, I never use a pin shorter than 3 1/2 inches or longer than 4 1/4 inches. I place the pin at 7 o'clock with the cg 1/2 above the thumb hole on the midline. The pin, for me is 2 1/2 inches from the actual bottom cut of my thumb hole(not slug hole). I am very particular on the balls I use this on also. The Original Inferno and The Rival have been two of my faves. For me, I don't want a really strong ball or core or a really weak one either. I'm looking for early roll for a hook/stop motion. This layout tends not to work on extremely high volumes of oil or extremely low volumes of oil. It's conditional. But when it works, I have a look that nobody in the building has. I can explain in more depth if desired.

Thanks for reading.