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Title: Pin on track drilling?
Post by: johns811 on November 28, 2004, 09:43:17 PM
Anybody ever experiment with Pin on track drilling. I was wondering if it would be a good arsenal drilling for very jumpy and/or drier lane conditions. I'd use a pearlized ball, maybe a Sonic Boom.  

Thanks
Title: Re: Pin on track drilling?
Post by: 1fife on November 29, 2004, 06:15:30 AM
from my understanding(which doesnt mean much ) -this would make ball go long. It would put pin a long way from pap. It could also cause the track to flare the opposite way(but it wouldnt flare much)

Edited on 11/29/2004 7:14 AM
Title: Re: Pin on track drilling?
Post by: scotts33 on November 29, 2004, 10:54:35 AM
Not a guru here either.  But figure it has to go dang long without much flare.  The only ball I have with the pin in the track in a Crimson Phantom which was my spare ball of choice.  This ball went longer and straighter than most was for fried heads but with pin in track and that lovely ring in the core it was a beautifully long straight spare ball.

Anybody got an old 15 lb. Crimson Phantom laying around?

Scott
Title: Re: Pin on track drilling?
Post by: agroves on November 29, 2004, 11:44:40 AM
quote:

Anybody got an old 15 lb. Crimson Phantom laying around?


I believe doug sterner has one....

I have a power groove drilled with the pin in my track.  The pin is around 7" from my pap.  It doesn't reverse flare unless I totally end over end it, which isn't needed that often.  It goes extremely long and makes a nice move to the pocket.  Also, in carrydown anything pearl drilled this way hits like crap unless you give it some surface.

andrew
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Title: Re: Pin on track drilling?
Post by: johns811 on November 29, 2004, 11:54:24 AM
I was thinking about Power Groove Particle maybe. Length with a little surface for carry down. I'm messing with reverse finger pitches also so this should be interesting...

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I have a power groove drilled with the pin in my track.  The pin is around 7" from my pap.  It doesn't reverse flare unless I totally end over end it, which isn't needed that often.  It goes extremely long and makes a nice move to the pocket.  Also, in carrydown anything pearl drilled this way hits like crap unless you give it some surface.

andrew
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Title: Re: Pin on track drilling?
Post by: agroves on November 29, 2004, 12:07:03 PM
quote:
I was thinking about Power Groove Particle maybe. Length with a little surface for carry down. I'm messing with reverse finger pitches also so this should be interesting...



Probably, wouldn't be a bad option.  Were would you put the cg??

andrew
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Title: Re: Pin on track drilling?
Post by: 1fife on November 29, 2004, 12:25:07 PM
you have to remember pap are not the same on everyball-i went to a seminar with mo pinel and thoguht they were and he should me-and to my amazement-they werent the same. He said the strong cores of todays balls can affect it as it leaves your hand until first rotation(yes that fast).

so it will usually revers if more than 6 3/4, so it may be really cloes to that and that why only when you end over end it
Title: Re: Pin on track drilling?
Post by: tenpinspro on November 29, 2004, 02:15:52 PM
Hey John,

Yes it does help stabilize a ball quite a bit.  I've drilled many this way to help combat typical O/U shots but be careful, they can clip the holes if you're typically a higher track player.  It even changed inverted tracks to full rollers on some of the higher tech balls.

The "reverse" flare you guys refer to is and was the "original" track that balls use to roll (plastic/urethane..remember I'm old).  It was due to the high tech blocks that cause a ball to actually flare or pull downward.  So by placing your controlling weight on the "other" or negative side of the ball, it's pulling up vs pulling down.

Imagine placing a ball bearing in a baseball, by simply throwing this baseball with the ball bearing on one side or the other, it'll pull towards gravity, right?  This is the same effect in a generic sense of placing a weight block from one side to the other.  Hope this helps...
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Title: Re: Pin on track drilling?
Post by: omegabowler on November 29, 2004, 06:58:40 PM
HIgh track + inverted = flair between thumb and finger.

I had a blueberry drilled pin in track. since I have a high track it was just left and above my ring finger cg in palm. it actually looked like a full roller tracking. it did hit great and made me want to throw a full roller on purpose. control and power, hummm!!!

if your alooking for some control with strength try drilling(symetrical) pin under ring and cg 1/2" negative( give or take) but be sure to avoid thumb weight as I found that to be very strong off the backend dry. this drilling as tamed down peral ball for me very well and is my second choice drilling for a condition I can't handle with my favorite drilling.

start with a arcing ball by nature and drill this with pin postive and cg negative. it is a good control drilling at least with me.
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Title: Re: Pin on track drilling?
Post by: Mike Austin on December 01, 2004, 12:37:15 AM
I drilled an Eraser with the pin to the left of my middle finger, 6 1/4 from my PAP.  This ball worked only on hooking lanes with a little bit in the heads.  On any oil it was a dart.  Was very touchy to release.  It could be very jumpy on the back end.  Saves all the energy!  LOL!!

I drilled this ball because I had a Crush/R drilled like that way back when.  This ball just went straight.  Hit like a tomato on any oil at all.  Got me to the match play for a regional one time, only time I really used it.

I gotta lefty customer that REALLY saws on it.  We have drilled him a couple balls with the pin to the right of his middle finger, but just barely.  About 5 3/4 from his PAP.  He loves it, goes long on most any condition.  REALLY LONG with this shiny Black Messenger Urethane.  He throws that ball alot, go figure....
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