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thedjs

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Pin positions
« on: June 04, 2013, 12:39:55 PM »
I know this has been discussed before but I can't find it. 

What would be the difference in reactions if a ball is drilled with the pin above the fingers, to the side of the fingers or below the fingers? 

Thanks for the help.
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Re: Pin positions
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2013, 01:22:10 PM »
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Re: Pin positions
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2013, 01:36:36 PM »
There is very little relativity to placement of the pin in regards to the gripping holes other than effecting core dynamics...it's all in regards to pin to pap and relevance to leverage. It's all deviations from leverage and how it effects the flare potential and shape,
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Re: Pin positions
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2013, 05:24:12 PM »
Quote from: JustRico on June 04, 2013, 01:36:36 PM
There is very little relativity to placement of the pin in regards to the gripping holes other than effecting core dynamics...it's all in regards to pin to pap and relevance to leverage. It's all deviations from leverage and how it effects the flare potential and shape,

I should have mentioned that distance from the pap would be the same just a difference as to where the pin was located.  Either up, middle or down.
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Re: Pin positions
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2013, 06:05:18 PM »
Quote from: thedjs on June 04, 2013, 05:24:12 PM
Quote from: JustRico on June 04, 2013, 01:36:36 PM
There is very little relativity to placement of the pin in regards to the gripping holes other than effecting core dynamics...it's all in regards to pin to pap and relevance to leverage. It's all deviations from leverage and how it effects the flare potential and shape,

I should have mentioned that distance from the pap would be the same just a difference as to where the pin was located.  Either up, middle or down.

Up, middle, or down? How vague...

Read up here -> http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/index.php?title=Proshop_Information#Layouts

If you have any questions after you scan through that, get back to us...
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JustRico

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Re: Pin positions
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2013, 06:59:14 PM »
Again it's deviation from leverage (flare decreases) and shape change....
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Re: Pin positions
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2013, 08:24:41 PM »
Quote from: J_Mac on June 04, 2013, 06:05:18 PM
Quote from: thedjs on June 04, 2013, 05:24:12 PM
Quote from: JustRico on June 04, 2013, 01:36:36 PM
There is very little relativity to placement of the pin in regards to the gripping holes other than effecting core dynamics...it's all in regards to pin to pap and relevance to leverage. It's all deviations from leverage and how it effects the flare potential and shape,

I should have mentioned that distance from the pap would be the same just a difference as to where the pin was located.  Either up, middle or down.

Up, middle, or down? How vague...

Read up here -> http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/index.php?title=Proshop_Information#Layouts

If you have any questions after you scan through that, get back to us...

Pin up, to the side, and down wasn't too "vague" for the drill sheet made for the Yeti:
http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/images/a/a4/Radical_Symmetrical.pdf

Per the pdf, there are Mo Pinel suggested drillings for the Yeti labeled:

"Pin under - No balance hole"
"Pin over - No balance hole"
"Pin beside with balance hole"

There are no dual angles and each layout has characteristics of what the ball will do - generally speaking, which is what the OP wanted in the first place...
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Re: Pin positions
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2013, 09:06:35 PM »
Quote from: LookingForALeftyWall on June 04, 2013, 08:24:41 PM
Quote from: J_Mac on June 04, 2013, 06:05:18 PM
Quote from: thedjs on June 04, 2013, 05:24:12 PM
Quote from: JustRico on June 04, 2013, 01:36:36 PM
There is very little relativity to placement of the pin in regards to the gripping holes other than effecting core dynamics...it's all in regards to pin to pap and relevance to leverage. It's all deviations from leverage and how it effects the flare potential and shape,

I should have mentioned that distance from the pap would be the same just a difference as to where the pin was located.  Either up, middle or down.

Up, middle, or down? How vague...

Read up here -> http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/index.php?title=Proshop_Information#Layouts

If you have any questions after you scan through that, get back to us...

Pin up, to the side, and down wasn't too "vague" for the drill sheet made for the Yeti:
http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/images/a/a4/Radical_Symmetrical.pdf

Per the pdf, there are Mo Pinel suggested drillings for the Yeti labeled:

"Pin under - No balance hole"
"Pin over - No balance hole"
"Pin beside with balance hole"

There are no dual angles and each layout has characteristics of what the ball will do - generally speaking, which is what the OP wanted in the first place...

But those descriptors don't always equal the same thing for different balls and different bowlers... That's the point I'm trying to make.

Things aren't always that simple - see attached image.

Why not post another side of the story?
http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/images/8/86/Core_Shape_Determines_Motion.pdf

Once you single out a specific ball, especially one as unique as the Yeti, you can begin to see the how's and why's of ball motion.
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Re: Pin positions
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2013, 04:06:34 PM »
Lol! Dam guys.....i'm sure all you extremely knowledgeable bowling afficionados have thoroughly confused the original poster.

Could'nt you have, like, given him some very general, and understandable comments regarding his hook shape?  ::)
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Re: Pin positions
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2013, 04:16:44 PM »
What part of layouts are dictated by pin to pap distance and deviating from leverage or 3 3/8" changes the shape and lessens the overall flare potential is that confusing?
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Re: Pin positions
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2013, 04:33:45 PM »
Bowling balls have come a long ways. If youve ever been to a demo day event you will see several balls laid out two or maybe three different ways. Pin up, pin down, and maybe inbetween the two.

For most bowlers the pin will be in the 4-5.5" range from their pap and on most conditions the ball will roll and react as it is intended to based on the core and coverstock. It shows how versatile the bowling balls really are for bowlers on the conditions they most commonly face.
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Re: Pin positions
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2013, 04:59:38 PM »
Perhaps we've forgotten that this is NOT bowlingchat.primadonna.net. It's (in theory at least) a more relaxed board of varying levels where people can get answers, even if generic, and be shown that there is more to learn should they so desire.

Many people still appreciate that. Let's bring them in, not chase them away.
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Re: Pin positions
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2013, 10:22:46 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih45VXg8tP8

Here maybe this will give a general idea of what can happen.
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Re: Pin positions
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2013, 10:52:03 PM »
Don't even mention bowlingchat.net. All those guys love to smell their own farts.
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Re: Pin positions
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2013, 10:57:13 PM »
Quote from: northface28 on June 05, 2013, 10:52:03 PM
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