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badbeard

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pin to pap ?
« on: August 19, 2011, 07:44:32 AM »
how does pin to pap distance  work ? short pin to pap or long pin to pap ?

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Re: pin to pap ?
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2011, 05:32:56 PM »
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 Keep in mind, it is much more complicated than this, I am just going to give you the basics, and not the reasons why.

 

 The effects the distance has depends on whether the ball has a symmetric, or an asymmetric, core in it.

 

 Basically, the closer the pin is to the pap, the earlier it will pick up its rolling pattern, and will smooth out the reaction.

 

 The further the pin is from the pap will cause it to skid further before rolling, and tends to make it have a sharper breakpoint.

 

 THIS IS ONLY THE MOST BASIC OF INFORMATION.
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Re: pin to pap ?
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2011, 07:17:00 PM »
The primary affect of pin to PAP distance is the % of the ball's flare potential that is realized.  For symmetrical cores the max flare is at 3 3/8" pin to PAP and the flare reduces to a minimum at 0" and at 6 3/4".  For asymmetrical balls you'll be better off to look at the chart in the link below.  --  JohnP

 



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Re: pin to pap ?
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2011, 05:27:12 PM »
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Re: pin to pap ?
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2011, 09:42:09 AM »
Yes, I'm familiar with and use Mo's technique.  I said "primary affect", not "only affect".  The other affects have less significance than the affect on the flare.  --  JohnP 


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Re: pin to pap ?
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2011, 05:58:17 AM »

 
JohnP wrote on 8/21/2011 7:17 PM:
The primary affect of pin to PAP distance is the % of the ball's flare potential that is realized.  For symmetrical cores the max flare is at 3 3/8" pin to PAP and the flare reduces to a minimum at 0" and at 6 3/4".  For asymmetrical balls you'll be better off to look at the chart in the link below.  --  JohnP

 





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badbeard

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Re: pin to pap ?
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2011, 07:34:49 AM »
John,  example my sweet spot is for pins to be 3.25 and this does work well for me what if. i use a pin to pap of 5 inch with the same   45x 3.25 x30  and 45x 5 x 30 I am speed domanite and there have no problem getting balls to go long . but being rev changlled  I have been sanding all trhe high traction cover stocks to get them to turn.drilled  at my sweet spot I don.t have that problem with a Motiv sigma tour using it out of box finish and scoring well with it

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Re: pin to pap ?
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2011, 09:35:41 AM »
For symmetric balls the longer pin will reduce the flare and help the ball go longer.  To best understand asymmetric layouts, read the article in the link below and concentrate on the section near the end that tells how to apply dual angle layout to your characteristics.  There is other dual angle info in the wiki section of the bowlingchat.net website.  --  JohnP

 



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