Post by: myty299 on January 07, 2011, 12:37:40 PM
Post by: JustRico on January 07, 2011, 08:44:08 PM
Where are the pins in relationship to his grip? And what is his PAP?
Not sure how a ball driller could/would lay these out and have the pins that far away.
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Post by: myty299 on January 07, 2011, 08:49:43 PM
his pap is 5 7/16
i have no idea how or why the driller would do this but i think he didnt measure it out for him
Post by: JustRico on January 07, 2011, 08:51:07 PM
Sounds like they laid them out for a lefthander....
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Post by: myty299 on January 07, 2011, 08:54:03 PM
Post by: BKloss on January 07, 2011, 09:08:00 PM
There is no such thing as a "left handed layout" it is all relative to an individuals PAP. If they are that far away, maybe his ball driller did measure for his PAP awhile ago and it has changed over time?
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Post by: JustRico on January 07, 2011, 09:17:42 PM
Dude seriously....when I said a left handed lay out I meant they were laid out for a left hander, such as over the label....therefore if the pin was next to the middle finger (or ring finger for a left hander), it would be in the range of 6 3/4- 7 5/8" from his PAP.
I DO NOT know any ball driller that would lay out using pins that far from any bowler's PAP on purpose.
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Post by: myty299 on January 07, 2011, 09:22:40 PM
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Post by: jbruno6 on January 08, 2011, 05:42:48 AM
My PAP is the same, so is Norm Duke's. Duke keeps it pretty simple:
A half ten is not a great shot. No, you shouldn't have carried it.
Post by: JohnP on January 08, 2011, 08:26:52 AM
My best guess is that the driller was working off a vastly different PAP than you're using (alternative -- he's incompetent). If you haven't already done so, double check his PAP by marking it with a piece of ~ 1/2" square white tape and watching it off his hand. If marked correctly it will appear stationary for at least 5' or so. If he has a non-flaring ball use that and the tape will stay stationary for longer down the lane. If the info you've given us is correct I recommend to start by plugging the ball that has the 7 5/8" pin to PAP and redrilling it. -- JohnP
On edit: One more thought - is your friend left handed? If so, the driller may have used a right handed layout by mistake. If this is the case he should correct the drills without charge and without argument.
Edited by JohnP on 1/8/2011 at 9:30 AM