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LuckyLefty

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Pin ups for the lefty and pin ups in general.
« on: July 20, 2008, 09:22:40 AM »
I keep seeing people say....well....I have the pin over the bridge or I see pin over the ring and up 2 inches....wow is all I have to say.

My view and observation.....these pin ups really react fast to friction....and they also react later to friction often.  For me on the left....I often find MOST of my pin ups to give me an over under type of reaction.  

Of course I have a pretty on the side release say 60 to 70 degrees.  ie my ball wants to penetrate and flip pretty hard on its own....

In general lately I have gone back to drillings that used to work better in the past pins down slightly and slightly stronger and this allow me to play a little wider on the left and also to not have a sense of the ball "breaking free" (i going past the breakpoint and flipping too hard and too late!

Note my revs about 300 and speed near 15 at the pins when bowling well.

My observation most of these weak pin drillings say 5 3/4  or pin up drillings apply more to crankers, and more to righties(and their increased friction and need to play deeper, and more to up the backers(who need push down the lane).

Your observations and your stats....ie rev rate and axis rotation.

I see so often people these days with "too weak" or "too pin up" which seem to my eye to be presenting this "broken free" look.

An example of this to my eye is this great video from videoballreviews of the BR Twisted Fury

Pin up versus Pin down

Your thoughts, your hand, your specs?

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Re: Pin ups for the lefty and pin ups in general.
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2008, 05:36:04 PM »
Here are a couple more....demonstrating this...


Pin up Track Temper


Pin Down Track Temper

More examples of the dramatic increase in angularity in same ball....

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Re: Pin ups for the lefty and pin ups in general.
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2008, 09:08:27 PM »
Lucky, I absolutely agree. On the left side, pin up vs pin down is not the same factor as it is on the right hand side. Avoiding the standard left vs right arguments, the left side is much more a problem getting the ball into a roll at all on many occasions. Stronger layouts with a pin down leaning seem to work best for me as well.

My stats... 4.5 x 3/4 up, 250-275 revs, 16 mph at pins max.
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Re: Pin ups for the lefty and pin ups in general.
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2008, 09:31:31 PM »
Skid/flip type reactions will give you over/under on the fresh almost all the time, and seeing how the leftside gets almost no play it's probably best to use pin down drillings more.

Most of my stuff is pin down, and the ones that are pin up have surface.
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Re: Pin ups for the lefty and pin ups in general.
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2008, 09:32:27 PM »
Lefty....

Do you think it is our side roll more than our side?

Others....?

As I've been moving pins down lately....I've noticed more likelyhood of playing out wide with the other leftys....

Drillers, righties ????

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Re: Pin ups for the lefty and pin ups in general.
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2008, 10:27:05 PM »
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Most of my stuff is pin down, and the ones that are pin up have surface.
I'm a righty, but I also like to use some surface on my pin up equipment.  It smooths out the over/under reaction, but still gives me length and more backend reaction.  It's also good for playing that hook/set rollout shot that Chris Barnes has made a small fortune with for years now whenever I find a little extra friction.

17mph at the pins, 250rpm, moderately low axis tilt, medium axis rotation (condition dependent), PAP is roughly 5 1/4" over, 3/4" up.
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Re: Pin ups for the lefty and pin ups in general.
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2008, 11:44:30 PM »
Enjoying the answers AND the providing of specs..keep it comin....

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Re: Pin ups for the lefty and pin ups in general.
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2008, 12:35:11 AM »
I have a huge amount of trouble with anything regarding pin under.  Inconsisent, burnt-up, dead, light, etc. unless I use them on very condition-specific shots.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=v_YAbSv0Gfo

I have a large amount of revs, usually about 19.5 mph, and find that the most compatible and versatile layouts for me usually end up with the pin above the middle finger.
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Re: Pin ups for the lefty and pin ups in general.
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2008, 01:26:50 AM »
Lucky, spme of the issue may be side roll. I recently switched all my gear to accommodate a shorter span and can definitely say that my side roll is now greatly reduced over the last 3 months. One thing is certain. Pin up and side roll on the left side makes it really easy to skid past the break point....
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Re: Pin ups for the lefty and pin ups in general.
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2008, 08:22:37 AM »
Just my .02

I have a pretty high track so I have problems with typical pin down drillings clipping the finger holes unless I use a lot more side turn than I'm comfortable with.

Pin up drillings and too much side rotation is a recipe for disaster on the port side.  You are using a delayed reaction drilling with a delayed reaction enhancing release, you will be either blowing past the breakpoint or doing nose dives through the face, depending on your rev rates, more often than not.

Cut down on the side rotation and your pin up drillings will read the midlane a bit earlier, rev up nicely, and react more consistently.

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high track - 1/2" from fingers
rev rate 300-325
speed 14.5-15 at the pin deck
45 degree axis rotation typical
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LuckyLefty

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Re: Pin ups for the lefty and pin ups in general.
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2008, 11:57:23 AM »
other opinions?

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Re: Pin ups for the lefty and pin ups in general.
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2008, 02:46:08 PM »
I'm a high track lefty. I use pin up on the house shot and usually go with pin down in tournaments and heavier oil. Because around here most house shots are on the shorter side. I have lately been getting into pin up particle balls with some polish. The particle smoothes out the over and under and the high pin and polish help give it enough kick on the backend to take out 7 pins. Lower pins sounds like the way to go if you're more of a sidewinder. 2cents
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Re: Pin ups for the lefty and pin ups in general.
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2008, 02:56:33 PM »
BigHorn....do your pinups force you on the shorter shots inside say 3rd arrow or so or you get too much entry angle?  Mine do!

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Re: Pin ups for the lefty and pin ups in general.
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2008, 07:26:18 PM »
Lefty,

Greetings!

I agree with you and with my lefties I usually get them into a pin down type drilling.  I will go with a Pin Up on duller equipment to help the ball get down the lane without much surface altercation.  

I agree with the observation about needing pin downs for lefties as they really don't see the breakdown of the fresh as quickly or maybe not at all compared to us righties.  I have a very good lefty I drill for with a good amount of hand and he was having troubles on fresher conditions.  I drilled up a Domination and a Shift with pin down layouts and he now can combat the fresh quite well.  


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Re: Pin ups for the lefty and pin ups in general.
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2008, 08:42:31 PM »
Sr...

That was a very liberal answer...and I appreciate it...others.

Do others agree: that for similar pin to pap distances on the same ball with the same surface that the higher pin up positions create more entry angle and force the thrower slightly deeper with the feet often in order to carry.

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