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APheLion

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flare increasing hole dangerous?
« on: December 19, 2006, 02:15:09 PM »
I went with my friend to drill up couple of balls. My friend was drilling a 16lb Storm Trifecta and he wanted to be strong and even. I asked the driller(some1 who i respect a lot) whether or not is a good idea to drill the Trifecta to make it go little bit early and put a increasing flare hole so it will be stronger. But the proshop operator said that its dangerous to do that and he wouldnt risk it, so instead he put a weight hole in the pap.

what i dont really get is, why he said its dangerous to put a weight hole past the pap? can it really put in danger the reaction of the ball?
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Re: flare increasing hole dangerous?
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2006, 10:39:25 PM »
A weight hole on your PAP will still make the ball flare more and earlier than no weight hole.

A weight hole past your PAP will make the ball flare more and earlier than a weight hole on your PAP.How much more and how much earlier depends on the surface, your rev rate, the size of the hole, how far past your PAP you place it, etc.

More flare can make the flare lines go over the weight hole; the ball will thump and the roll will be affected by the thumping.

Storm has often advised that you NOT place the weight hole past your PAP on their higher flaring (large RG differential) balls. The greater your rev rate the more your ball will flare. The rougher the surface, the earlier and more the ball will flare.  The closer the pin is to the the leverage position (3  3/8" from the bowler's PAP) the more the ball will flare ....


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kmanestor22

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Re: flare increasing hole dangerous?
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2006, 10:40:05 PM »
The Trifecta is asymmetrical.  You do not have to go past the PAP to increase flare, a couple inches inside will increase flare as well.  I danger with a flare-increasing weight hole past the PAP is #1 that you could roll over the weight hole if the ball flares too much.  Also, combining high-flare balls with high-flare drillings with high-flare weight holes with high rev bowlers can result in entirely too much flare.  When a ball flares, the axis migrates.  If it migrates in a straight line, you get a nice bowtie.  When the ball flares too much, the axis starts to migrates in a "J" like pattern.  This results in a sloppy bowtie where the narrow point moves.  The result is the ball rolling over previous flares.  This is basically simulating carrydown on the bowling ball.  This is not always a bad thing and can actually be beneficial on some conditions.  If you are looking for maximum hook, you need to find the RIGHT amount of flare.  This is usually found when there is about 3/8" between flare rings.
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Re: flare increasing hole dangerous?
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2006, 10:42:42 PM »
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A weight hole on your PAP will still make the ball flare more and earlier than no weight hole.

A weight hole past your PAP will make the ball flare more and earlier than a weight hole on your PAP.How much more and how much earlier depends on the surface, your rev rate, the size of the hole, how far past your PAP you place it, etc.

More flare can make the flare lines go over the weight hole; the ball will thump and the roll will be affected by the thumping.

Storm has often advised that you NOT place the weight hole past your PAP on their higher flaring (large RG differential) balls. The greater your rev rate the more your ball will flare. The rougher the surface, the earlier and more the ball will flare.  The closer the pin is to the the leverage position (3  3/8" from the bowler's PAP) the more the ball will flare ....


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If I'm not mistaken, weight holes on the PAP on ASYMMETRICAL balls DECREASE flare.
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APheLion

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Re: flare increasing hole dangerous?
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2006, 11:21:15 PM »
thx guys for the replies, now its little bit more clear why the proshop operator told me so
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charlest

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Re: flare increasing hole dangerous?
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2006, 06:06:41 AM »
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A weight hole on your PAP will still make the ball flare more and earlier than no weight hole.

A weight hole past your PAP will make the ball flare more and earlier than a weight hole on your PAP.How much more and how much earlier depends on the surface, your rev rate, the size of the hole, how far past your PAP you place it, etc.--------------------
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If I'm not mistaken, weight holes on the PAP on ASYMMETRICAL balls DECREASE flare.
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Not that I ever heard of. I could be wrong.
Weight holes inside your PAP and above it, decrease flare.

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kmanestor22

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Re: flare increasing hole dangerous?
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2006, 12:09:13 PM »
I was skeptical at first, but it is different with asymmetrical balls.  Symmetrical balls follow the rule you stated.  Say your PAP is 5-1/2" away.  A weight hole 4" from center of grip on a symmetrical ball will decrease flare.  On an asymmetrical ball, that same placement results in increased flare.

http://www.stormbowling.com/products/balls/archive-ball.asp?ballid=195

http://www.stormbowling.com/pdf/drill_specs/rad%203%20right-reading.pdf

Storm's own drilling chart verifies this with 2 weight hole placements: "On the PAP" and "Off the PAP"
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