Post by: Bar5003 on December 12, 2006, 03:29:15 AM
http://www.jayhawkbowling.com/Products/Pitch_and_Span.html
the jonell and the classic pro
the price is substantially different but is the performance better...
also what is the true pitch set underneath those two
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Post by: Bar5003 on December 12, 2006, 01:29:08 PM
next ?
what makes the jonells better than the classic pros performance wise?
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Post by: BowlerKidR on December 12, 2006, 01:54:01 PM
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Post by: LuckyLefty on December 12, 2006, 01:54:19 PM
It is a pain in the neck...BUT I like it!
It is easy to lose pieces...BUT I haven't!
What is cool is first off...it's pretty accurate!
2nd...it's cheap. Third one can use it to get the sizes of hole...and even to get the sizes of oval shapes(so much in the x direction) so much in the y direction).
I use it to find the stuff and fits that seem to really work the best for me!
As a result despite the little irritation of so many pieces it seems to have even more utility than the excellant Classic pitch guages.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on December 12, 2006, 11:05:33 PM
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Jonells are the best you can get the true pitch set is junk and the classic pro are a step below the jonells
DanSweet is dead on here. However, the Jonells are really expensive. Way more than the Classic Pro Set, which is probably why most pro shops that I have been around have the Classic Pro guages and not the Jonells.
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Post by: BrunsNick on December 13, 2006, 03:20:06 AM
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Post by: Bar5003 on December 13, 2006, 08:07:28 PM
as with all proshop equipment you get what you pay for but WHY am i paying $100 more for jonells vrs the others??
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Post by: BrunsNick on December 13, 2006, 08:11:20 PM
The Jonell has the best construction overall, easy to read, and I feel it gives the most accurate measurement of pitch.
The Classics are okay, so if you're just getting them for yourself or not running a shop, then you'll be okay.
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Post by: Bar5003 on December 13, 2006, 08:12:12 PM
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Post by: cmoore3wins on December 14, 2006, 11:03:48 AM
Classic = Buick
Tru pitch = Yugo
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Post by: YeahHossNV on December 14, 2006, 11:56:03 AM
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Jonell = Porshe
Classic = Buick
Tru pitch = Yugo
Lol but yeah Jonell are absolutely the best you can buy. The Classic's have to much play in them in my opinion.
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Post by: qstick777 on January 13, 2007, 11:25:09 AM
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I have a cheap tru pitch set!
It is a pain in the neck...BUT I like it!
It is easy to lose pieces...BUT I haven't!
What is cool is first off...it's pretty accurate!
2nd...it's cheap. Third one can use it to get the sizes of hole...and even to get the sizes of oval shapes(so much in the x direction) so much in the y direction).
I use it to find the stuff and fits that seem to really work the best for me!
As a result despite the little irritation of so many pieces it seems to have even more utility than the excellant Classic pitch guages.
REGards,
Luckylefty
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Edited on 12/12/2006 2:55 PM
does the set come with instructions? I see how they can be useful for hole sizes, but I don't get how they help figure out the pitch - https://www.shop.innovativebowling.com/displayProductDocument.hg?productId=250&categoryId=37
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Post by: qstick777 on January 13, 2007, 12:55:34 PM
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come with a gauge you attach the pieces to it really just common sense once you see all the parts and have them in your hands
Must be that plastic span ruler looking thing at the bottom of the picture.
Just curious - one pro shop I used has them, but they seem to only use them for measuring hole size, not pitches.
They look good enough for a home driller that is only drilling for 1 or 2 people.
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Post by: azguy on January 13, 2007, 03:56:35 PM
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Post by: qstick777 on January 13, 2007, 09:11:25 PM
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I have had the Tru pitch, they are ok, nothing wrong with them, you have to know or find the hole size to get a true reading. I use the classic set. They work like a charm. Easy to read, find pitch etc so if you are looking to spend a bit, get them, if you want to spend a lesser amount, the tru pitch will work, just takes a bit longer to get the right size/pitch, that's all.
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Thanks Azguy. I know my hole size, and I have a brunswick fitting ball, so I should be okay - I'm not planning on drilling for anybody other than myself.
I'd rather save the $120 and use that towards a router/shield/plug cutter.
I just want to play around with some different thumb pitches. $20 every trip to the pro shop is starting to add up! Probably not enough to justify spending all this money on equipment, but it's something that I'm interested in and something to keep me busy.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on January 13, 2007, 09:33:59 PM
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the jonell and the classic pro
the price is substantially different but is the performance better...
The accuracy of the Jonell Gauges is second to none. They are the most accurate by far, but it seems more pro shops have the Classic Pro set even though they aren't as accurate because they are cheaper.
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Post by: azguy on January 14, 2007, 05:16:10 AM
The tru's are easy to use and very cost effective....Good Luck.
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Post by: qstick777 on January 25, 2007, 12:55:40 PM
With the classic pitch gauges, which way do you read them? Obviously if you put the gauge in the thumb one way it will read reverse pitch, but if you flip it around it will read forward.
I know it's stupid, but I figure maybe I'm not the only stupid person that doesn't know.
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Post by: JohnP on January 25, 2007, 03:01:46 PM
Post by: LuckyLefty on January 25, 2007, 03:03:32 PM
Great for a home setup!
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Post by: qstick777 on January 25, 2007, 04:31:24 PM
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qstick777 -- Figure out which direction the portion of the gauge that's in the hole is pointing. That's the direction of the pitch. -- JohnP
Thanks JohnP! I really just didn't think about it - I just remember that when I put the gauge in and then spun it around it was the same, but putting in the other direction. Would hate to have them backwards and tell somebody it is 1/4 left when it's really right!
As always, I think the problem is more with the terminology about forward and reverse, up and down, etc.
I tried to go back and find the post from a while ago about which was which (referencing the grip center, etc) but I couldn't find it.
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Post by: JohnP on January 25, 2007, 09:14:42 PM
Post by: qstick777 on January 25, 2007, 09:42:44 PM
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Ball orientation is fingers up, thumb down. Pitch toward grip center is forward, away from grip center is reverse for both fingers and thumb. Left and right are obvious. -- JohnP
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Cool, so if I have the ball fingers up, if I put the gauge in the thumb, I'd want the writing to be facing the right, and for the fingers I would have the writing facing the left.
If I keep the writing facing me (so always facing down), left pitch would be read as "reverse," and right would be "forward."
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Post by: JohnP on January 26, 2007, 02:21:11 PM
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Pitch toward grip center is forward, away from grip center is reverse for both fingers and thumb. Left and right are obvious.
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Hummmmm, always thought reverse on fingers was "away" from grip center. Must be imagining things
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