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kidlost2000

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Cru(X)-hole test video summer project
« on: May 26, 2013, 08:25:48 AM »
Got a chance to test the Crux hole on a Brunswick Evil Siege. Wasn't able to get before and after footage as I had hoped due to limited proshop hours. However the results so far have been good.

The Evil Siege wasn't a great ball for me. It was an okay ball at best. Tried some surface adjustments but just not anything that stood out. After testing the Crux hole on this ball I was impressed with the increased down lane reaction the ball had. It was what I originally expected when drilling the Evil Siege has a compliment to the Siege.

I have some more balls with low games that I would like to test as well over the summer. The goal is for before and after footage on the same lane in real time. Not shooting before footage driving home and coming back to shoot after footage.

For the first step in this process I am pleased. Hopefully more test will yield similar or greater results.



http://youtu.be/KrReZOPYdt8
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kidlost2000

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Re: Cru(X)-hole test video summer project
« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2013, 06:24:35 AM »

After watching it on the computer the mb is pretty far left of his thumb. Im guessing the pin is in either the left or right finger. The x-hole looks like it is in the 3/4" range. With the pin where it is it would reduce the diff, but still increase the int diff some.

As an example I looked back at some saved screen shots with the bp software. Using the Outburst.

Undrilled   

Int diff  .003  Diff .043

Drilled pin below ring finger

Int diff  .011  Diff .040

X-hole drilled on center grip 1" x 3.50"

Int diff  .014  Diff .033

As an example the other way. Moving the pin just above the ring finger from the previous post. (a total of 1" from the previous example to barely above the ring finger)

Same Outburst undrilled

Int diff  .003  Diff .043

Drilled pin moved up .(just above the ring finger)

Int Diff  .012 Diff .043

Crux Hole 1" x 3.50"

Int Diff   .021 Diff .049

Crux Hole Shifted down .75" from grip center, 1" x 3.50"

Int Diff   .023  Diff .053
« Last Edit: May 28, 2013, 06:26:48 AM by kidlost2000 »
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Re: Cru(X)-hole test video summer project
« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2013, 10:37:57 AM »
This is all very interesting.  I can see where the Crux hole would work good on some balls but not so good on others.  Same for the motion hole.  I've heard a few bowlers mention that when they added a motion hole it enhanced the ball's reaction, where others said it killed it.  Exotic layouts have been around forever.  Some work good, some don't.  Most are tailored for a specific ball and lane condition.  I think with the thousands of core and cover combos available today, exotic layouts are not needed as much.  You can get as many hook and shape combinations as you want right out of the box.

Who wants to spent $200 for a ball and find out the exotic layout didn't do what they thought or made it roll like a biscuit?

Of coarse I realize the purpose of this post was not intended for the masses.  It was more of a demonstration.  Still, it want be long before guys come in the pro-shop wanting a crux hole in their ball with no clue why other than it looked good on a Youtube video.


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Re: Cru(X)-hole test video summer project
« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2013, 03:34:29 PM »
Very true. I wouldn't consider it an exotic layout by any means.

It is an option. When you drill a ball with a shorter pin (2-3") pin above or even with the fingers (very common layout) and aren't happy with it, even after cover adjustments at that point what are you options for a flare increasing x-hole?

For most bowlers the cg is probably just above their center grip line and a p2 p3 or p4 option isn't likely.

This falls as another option at that point for someone/proshop to use. Another tool to have in case the option is ever needed. It works on asymmetric or symmetric core bowling balls and in many cases will not change the drill angle of the drilled ball.
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Re: Cru(X)-hole test video summer project
« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2013, 04:27:57 PM »
It's an option. 

Here's the thing, USBC says you can have 6 holes in the ball.  One for each finger plus a static weight hole.  USBC also states you don't have to use each hole to throw the ball.  It just has to be capable of being used.  So technically, you can also drill a pinky and index hole to adjust weights.  You can also drill all of these holes 8" deep if you want.  Another option, USBC limits the size of the weight hole to 1-1/4", but not the size of the gripping holes.  You could drill the thumb 1-1/2" and 8" deep.  Someone who throws it without a thumb or with two hands would benefit from this.  The weight hole cannot intersect the gripping holes, but gripping holes can intersect and/or cross each other.  As long as all the static weights meet USBC criteria, you're good.

It would be interesting to play around with the blueprint software and see where that takes you.

I say all that to say this:  If you drill a ball with a standard label drilling as you described above and it doesn't roll good even after multiple surface changes.... I don't see putting a pot hole in the middle of the grip being a viable option to a pro-shop.  For a VERY select few...maybe.
 

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Re: Cru(X)-hole test video summer project
« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2013, 04:37:21 PM »
Does anyone remember the Anti-Mass Bias cores Visionary had a few years back? Any speculation on what the Cru(X) and MOtion Holes would do to the core numbers and ball reaction? The Immortal Pearl had a ridiculous starting diff of .078, makes me wonder if it could have got 1.00something and what that shape on the lanes would be like. My guess, almost unusable, but it is funny to see just how far things can go.
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Re: Cru(X)-hole test video summer project
« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2013, 04:48:35 PM »
What is label? Just because the actual ball label is in the palm doesn't mean the pin would be any where close to the same if the ball had a 1" pin vs a ball with a 4" pin. Very different layouts and possible different reactions. 1" pin is likely below the fingers, 3-4 pin even with or well above the fingers.

The bp software didn't give the options listed at the time I used it but may have changed. You got 2 fingers, a thumb and a x-hole. Im also not sure if it let the x-hole go past 5" Once you go so far then you become counter product on what you remove. It would be nice to see it through the software.

In terms of only a select few I'm not so sure. A p1 x-hole and others lessen the diff of a bowling ball causing it to flare less. No matter how you throw the ball it will have less flare. That is going to reduce the balls reaction.

A p3 and p4 x-hole, plus others such as the Motion hole or adding a x-hole 2-3" down your val all increase the bowling balls int diff and diff. More flare, more fresh oil and possibly more hook. Doesn't matter how you throw it, more flare gives the chance for more hook, and a different ball shape depending on the location.

Location and size does have an effect on the core, flare, and ball reaction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPJSmtr75Ts
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Re: Cru(X)-hole test video summer project
« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2013, 04:54:15 PM »
Does anyone remember the Anti-Mass Bias cores Visionary had a few years back? Any speculation on what the Cru(X) and MOtion Holes would do to the core numbers and ball reaction? The Immortal Pearl had a ridiculous starting diff of .078, makes me wonder if it could have got 1.00something and what that shape on the lanes would be like. My guess, almost unusable, but it is funny to see just how far things can go.

Not sure the int diff, but both x-holes would increase the diff(which is already high) along with the int diff. The Motion hole being located on the backside of the ball may be a bit dangerous because your chances of flaring the x-hole for many medium to higher rev players is probably high. With the Crux hole or a p4 hole depending on how you throw the ball with that much flare could catch the thumb, or clip the fingers.

As far as the anti mb it is similar to when EBI first started marking them on bowling balls. EBI had it marked mb/pin/ then cg. The mb on the drill sheet suggested keeping it above the fingers. That hasn't changed. You can take any asymmetric ball and draw a line from the mb through the pin to the other side to mark its anti mb. The same drilling rules apply.
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Re: Cru(X)-hole test video summer project
« Reply #23 on: May 28, 2013, 05:04:23 PM »
Gosh it's been a while since I've seen something about how Ebonite used to mark their "Bomb" marker. That was a rather interesting concept. Have you toyed around with BluePrint to see if it's possible for someone to hit the gripping holes with the back flare rings? I've thrown a few balls with what would have been a 3 1/2 inch pin with a void hole inside my VAL, and I actually rolled completely over the void hole in the back part of the lane. Was pretty funny to see a ball go through the axis migration, look like its about to hook, then just bail out completely lol. Thankfully all of those pieces of equipment belonged to someone else.
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Re: Cru(X)-hole test video summer project
« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2013, 05:21:20 PM »
Ive not had that issue when playing with the software but only had it a limited time. Depending on the bowling style, the ball, and the amount of flare you will always have issues of flaring over something. (thumb, finger, x-hole) depending on your style and the ball, and sometimes the condition. It is best to check the oil rings prior to adding a flare increasing x-hole would be my suggestion.
« Last Edit: May 28, 2013, 07:19:12 PM by kidlost2000 »
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