General Category => Drilling & Layouts => Topic started by: smitty8288 on June 15, 2011, 02:11:25 AM
Title: Positive Axis Point
Post by: smitty8288 on June 15, 2011, 02:11:25 AM
I just picked up a NIB Marvel for dirt cheap from my local pro shop. I know my PAP is 51/2" over and 1/2" down. I average 18 mph and have medium to high rev rate. I also track very high. On my Reign Supreme, I have the pin above the center of grip an inch with the cg kicked to the right and my bowtie is touching my middle finger. This is also the ball I used for my measurements. My question is is this normal to have a PAP down half an inch?? Storm told me to double check my measurements.
Title: Re: Positive Axis Point
Post by: bullred on June 15, 2011, 11:11:57 AM
NO
Title: Re: Positive Axis Point
Post by: northface28 on June 15, 2011, 12:08:58 PM
Title: Re: Positive Axis Point
Post by: charlest on June 15, 2011, 12:22:32 PM
"My question is is this normal to have a PAP down half an inch??"
You're asking the wrong question. It is neither normal nor is it abnormal. That question implies that one is bad and the other good, and that is just not true.
A much smaller percentage of people have a down factor, instead of an up factor. It has to do with how you release the ball (of course). But I did read a while back (I believe it was by the noted coach and bowling writer, Tom Kouros, of Bowlers' Journal) that this was a preferred type of delivery for crankers or rev dominant players. Mine used to have a down factor, but over time, it has become 0" over.
So no matter what anyone else may tell you, do not take this PAP specification as a negative. It is not. It just is and it reflects how you release the ball.
Title: Re: Positive Axis Point
Post by: TWOHAND834 on June 15, 2011, 12:23:51 PM
It is not normal but it is very possible. If you are someone that has a weak wrist and releases the ball in more of a thumb down position, or drops the ball, you can get a PAP over and down. If you are someone that "gets through the ball" pretty well and lifts hard with the fingers with your thumb pointing toward the ceiling, typically you will have a PAP over and up. I would double check the PAP before drilling the Marvel as suggested.
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Title: Re: Positive Axis Point
Post by: Juggernaut on June 15, 2011, 01:02:04 PM
I agree with charlest, it is neither normal, nor abnormal, it just is what it is, a by product of the way you release the ball.
All it really means is that, while a majority of people track a bit closer to the thumb than the fingers (which would mean an "up" measurement of the pap), your track is going to be closer to the fingers( which gives you your "down" pap measurement).
While not in the majority, having a down coordinate does not make you abnormal.
Title: Re: Positive Axis Point
Post by: smitty8288 on June 15, 2011, 03:34:56 PM
Thanks for the insight guys!! I did not know that it was "preferred" for crankers or rev dominate players. Now that I think of it, it does make sense that the PAP would be down when tracking closer to the fingers instead of the thumb. Again thanks guys. Another question then.....what pin placement would I be looking at to try to keep from clipping my middle finger hole??
Title: Re: Positive Axis Point
Post by: JohnP on June 16, 2011, 07:56:22 AM
Keep the pin in the "safe zone", to the right of a line drawn from your PAP to the ring finger. -- JohnP