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Title: Pro shop techniques and tips
Post by: JohnP on January 21, 2004, 07:57:50 PM
I have been doing the pro shop work for the local bowling center for about a year now after retiring from a career in laboratory management.  I have also been a hobbyist woodworker for 20+ years.  I have developed several shop techniques (which others may or may not be using), and would like to share with other operators by opening this  thread for sharing tips.  I will kick it off with the following tip, and will share others if you are willing to share yours.

SMALL QUANTITIES OF PLUG MATERIAL:

Plug material comes as a two part epoxy with calibrated pumps.  The brand I use requires one pump of each, which the label on the bottle states to be 1 oz of resin to 1/3 oz of hardener.  That's great if you always need 1 1/3 oz of the final mixed plug material, but I find that often I need either a very small quantity to fix a gouge or crack (yes, I've tried the "quick-fix" materials, but have not had real good results) or need slightly more than 1 1/3 oz for a thumb hole or finger holes.  The important factor in mixing odd quantities is to use a ratio of 3 volumes of resin to 1 volume of hardener.  Go to WalMart and buy a set of metal measuring spoons for about $1 (or steal one from your wife's kitchen if you have the nerve).  There will be several spoons, ranging in size from 1/4 tsp to 1 tbs.  If you need a very small quantity, use three 1/4 tsp volumes of resin to one 1/4 tsp volume of hardener.  Mix carefully, because it is easy to get air entrainment with this small a quantity, and use as you would use any plug material.  For preparing quantities of mix between one pump of each and two pumps of each, use one pump of the resin, add three extra quantities (example, three 1 tsp quantities) of resin, then add your colors as usual.  When you add the hardener, use one pump plus one extra quantity (for our example, 1 tsp), then mix and use as always.  Wipe the measuring spoon clean with a paper towel before storing.

At the cost of the plug materials, this is a good money saver.  --  JohnP
Title: Re: Pro shop techniques and tips
Post by: AMP750 on January 22, 2004, 03:43:39 PM
Hello
I like to use small ice cube trays and use that material for the base of the plug as it will melt and mix very well. The color in the hole being plugged makes no difference.

Hammer
Title: Re: Pro shop techniques and tips
Post by: JohnP on January 23, 2004, 10:19:33 PM
No one else has something to contribute?  --  JohnP
Title: Re: Pro shop techniques and tips
Post by: REVOLUTIONS PS on January 24, 2004, 06:49:39 PM
I had someone show me this trick once but I'm not using it for whatever reason.  When using a thumb slug, drill the pilot hole and then don't remove the ball from the cup.  Crank the table over (if needed to make room) and squirt some glue along the inside of the hole, crank the table back to where it was and then using the drill press, pull down to insert the slug into the ball. then put the bit into the machine and drill the hole.  I think the point of all this is to ensure that the hole is in the center of the slug.  I personally don't have any problem with that but...that's one anyway.
Title: Re: Pro shop techniques and tips
Post by: agroves on January 25, 2004, 12:10:26 AM
I got a good tip.  DON'T buy tenth frame vinyl thumb solids.  They are a pain the butt to drill.  If you do, go slow and let the glue dry longer than normal.  I had one spin on me the other day.  I prefer the Vise vinyl thumb solids but I like the tenth frame finger inserts, go figure.

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Title: Re: Pro shop techniques and tips
Post by: JohnP on January 25, 2004, 09:22:30 AM
Regarding the "ice cube trick" -- I've never used it, but I've been told that you have to use a special tray, sold by bowling supply houses, that is made of a material that does not stick to the plug material.  When you use the "cubes" in the bottom of a plug job, they do not melt, but the new plug material fills in all the voids to make a solid mass.  --  JohnP
Title: Re: Pro shop techniques and tips
Post by: Strapper_Squared on January 26, 2004, 10:13:05 AM
quote:

Regarding the "ice cube trick" -- I've never used it, but I've been told that you have to use a special tray, sold by bowling supply houses, that is made of a material that does not stick to the plug material. When you use the "cubes" in the bottom of a plug job, they do not melt, but the new plug material fills in all the voids to make a solid mass. -- JohnP



That sounds reasonable...  you would expect the material to stick (at least a little)...  probably any sort of coated material (teflon or otherwise) would prevent against this.  If its an egg carton, you just peel the styro-foam off best as possible.  All of the epoxy's or other materials where you use a couple parts (material and a hardener) are set once they dry.  These undergo a polymerization reaction (sort of like super glue where all of the individual molecules join together to become several larger ones) and aren't able to be reversed.  So, I doubt they melt.  But there would be no reason why the plug material wouldn't fill in around the solid material.

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Title: Re: Pro shop techniques and tips
Post by: JohnP on January 26, 2004, 11:25:24 AM
Strapper_Squared -- As bullred mentioned, the curing reaction is exothermic and generates a substantial amount of heat.  I would be afraid that the egg carton material might melt, but haven't tried it.  I have heard of people melting styrofoam cups they used to mix the plug materials in.  I don't think the proper trays for this are very expensive - if I were going to do this I would purchase one.  -- JohnP
Title: Re: Pro shop techniques and tips
Post by: JohnP on January 26, 2004, 03:23:17 PM
Here's one I mentioned several months ago, but maybe there are some who didn't read it.  For your spare butterfly sander, cut a square of either Scotchbrite pad or wet/dry sandpaper about 2 inches per side.  Punch a hole in the middle of it and fasten it in the sander with a small washer on each side.  Use it for final smoothing of holes, bevels, etc.  It produces holes that are much smoother than the normal 100 grit butterflies do.  --  JohnP
Title: Re: Pro shop techniques and tips
Post by: bowlerstyle on January 28, 2004, 09:04:37 AM
I bet none of you guys have heard of this before so here it goes:  you can take an old ball cup holder (for instince I usually use the Columbia 300 ones cause they work the best) and you can mix different colors into it and wait for it to harden and then you have yourself a ball cup hold of your own different mix of colors for whatever purpose.  These ball cup holders are usefull in tourneys or league when you have too many balls on the rack but you don't want to put the ball away cause you might use it later on and it looks cool too.


PS: Flip over the Columbia 300 ball cup holder and then pour into the bottom. you can repeat this over 20 times with the same one.  and you can always break one that's hardened to use it for plug if you are a little short.
Title: Re: Pro shop techniques and tips
Post by: Doc Hollywood on January 28, 2004, 10:16:03 AM
I use plastilene clay to make my dams for plugging balls.  You can use it over and over again and the cost is inexpensive.


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Title: Re: Pro shop techniques and tips
Post by: JohnP on January 28, 2004, 10:20:00 AM
Here's a marketing tip.  Go to WalMart and buy the microfiber towels they carry in the automotive dept. (mixture of blue and white towels, 5 to a pkg, for about $1 per towel).  Repackage them in ziplock plastic bags and label them and reprice as you see fit.  I recommend purchase of one on every resin or particle ball I sell, because they do a great job of getting the oil and dirt off the ball.  Probably 3/4 of the people buy them.  I keep them reasonable, but still make a good profit, and the purchasers are happy.  --  JohnP

By the way, thanks to the poster that recommended these towels a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Pro shop techniques and tips
Post by: JohnP on January 29, 2004, 10:37:16 AM
Don't stop now, keep the tips coming --  JohnP
Title: Re: Pro shop techniques and tips
Post by: TheDude on January 29, 2004, 07:09:12 PM
Most proshops have to carry multiple bevel knives. I've actually found that a Carpet hook/Knife does a very good job at beveling the top of thumb and finger holes as well. They cost about 5$ at most and it's alot less than having to buy more and more bevel knives.

Oh and the ketup cup idea i have used and it's the best idea for ball plugging.




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Title: Re: Pro shop techniques and tips
Post by: JohnP on January 29, 2004, 09:14:10 PM
REPAIRING DAMAGED FINGER HOLES:

We've all had a ball come in with a chunk broken out at the top of a finger hole or a cracked bridge.  Instead of drilling it out, plugging and redrilling it, try this.  Use tape (I like the approx. 3/4 inch wide heavy packaging tape with the fibers in it) to form a dam by sticking a piece vertically to the side of the hole, extending a half inch or so above the top of the hole.  Back it up with several other pieces, being sure to completely cover the damaged area.  Then use modeling clay to complete a dam around the area, tieing it into the tape.  Mix a small quantity of plug material, fill the damaged area, allow to cure and work out as usual.  For a cracked bridge, use the tape in both finger holes and use two portions of clay to complete the dam.  Use a safety or straight pin to help work the plug material into the crack.  I've fixed several this way and have not had a failure yet.  For gouges on the ball surface, use those small foam dams you always end up throwing away, with a small quantity of plug material.  Makes a much better fix than the "quick repair" material.  --  JohnP
Title: Re: Pro shop techniques and tips
Post by: JohnP on February 02, 2004, 09:17:21 PM
I would really hate to see this topic die before everyone gets a chance to contribute.  I have one more tip, on sharpening drill bits, but will hold off until others have a chance.  --  JohnP
Title: Re: Pro shop techniques and tips
Post by: bowlerstyle on February 02, 2004, 09:44:49 PM
I'm not sure if this counts as a tip or not, but here it goes anyways. whenever you just sell a ball (especially a plastic one cause they are most likely to be beginners) always ask if they need shoes or a bag, and if that doesn't work on them say that there's a discount if they do buy them since they are buying more. If you want to give them a discount on it, that is.  but don't say discount, say special, sounds better. and oh yes, if you can get the ball drilled quick, like in 8 mins or less. let them know because that encourages them from leaving the shop just to stay and wait for the ball to be drilled and it gives them more confidence in the pro shop's abilities. hmmmmm......... I'll think of some more tricks later. Don't let this die folks.
Title: Re: Pro shop techniques and tips
Post by: bowlerstyle on February 02, 2004, 09:55:54 PM
if you're ovaling a large amount you often leave a ridge in the back of the thumb hole, if not then you have no use reading the rest of this.  The way I use to get rid of it is... after I finish ovaling the ball on the press. I leave the clamp, or suction cup on (which ever you have) go back half the distance of the total ovaling amount and then go  2 bit sizes bigger then the bit you were ovaling with. This usually takes care of the ridge.
Title: Re: Pro shop techniques and tips
Post by: JohnP on February 05, 2004, 11:22:29 AM
Don't you hate it when your drill bits get dull?  Sending them out, waiting on the job to be done and doing without them until they come back (unless you have invested in a spare set).  And the sharpener grinds so much off the bit that you can only get a few sharpenings before you have to replace the bit.  Try this:

HAND SHARPENING CARBIDE TIPPED DRILL BITS:

A regular sharpening stone will not sharpen carbide bits, so you have to use a diamond stone.  You can buy a Gerber pocket diamond sharpener at WalMart (about 3/8 inch of sharpening surface, they are with the knife display in sporting goods, but you may have to ask for them) for about $15 to try this tip, but a better investment is a two sided (coarse and fine, 1 inch x 4 inch sharpening surface or larger) tool.  Most woodworking web sites carry these, a link to the one I bought for about $30 delivered follows:  

http://www.woodessence.com/abrasivesdefault.html

To sharpen:  Examination of the tip of the bit reveals two cutting edges, one on each side of the center of the bit, that are formed by angled surfaces.  These are the edges to be sharpened.  DO NOT WHET THE SIDES OF THE BIT, THAT WILL CHANGE THE DIAMETER OF THE HOLE DRILLED.  Use your sharpener to whet the angled surface of the bit, then deburr by rubbing the flat back of the bit surface with the sharpener.  For a very dull bit, first use the coarse side, then follow with the fine side.  If you run your finger over the drill bit edge before you sharpen and occasionally as you sharpen, you will feel it getting sharper.  This procedure will not get a bit as sharp as sending it out to be ground, but it does get it plenty sharp to use and only takes about 10 minutes to sharpen a bit.  Be sure to maintain the angle that was ground into the bit at manufacture and try to whet about the same amount on both edges of the bit.  If you do this as soon as you notice your bit dulling, you can just use the fine side of the sharpener and it will only take about 5 minutes.  If you have any doubts about how to go about the sharpening procedure, find a bowler that is also a woodworker, show him this procedure and ask him to demonstrate for you.  Give him a discount on his next purchase for his trouble, or work out a deal for a permanent discount if he sharpens your bits for you.  --  JohnP