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why do the pro's use these layouts
« on: May 17, 2007, 02:28:57 PM »
Why do alot of the pro's use these layouts Over real strong layouts? They even use these layouts on long flat patterns. They looked stacked but stable with the CG in the palm.


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Re: why do the pro's use these layouts
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2007, 11:06:52 PM »
sorry, but i don't exactly understand the diagram. if you can remake it or something i would be happy to try to explain your quesion
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Re: why do the pro's use these layouts
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2007, 11:15:56 PM »
So you could build an whole line up with these type layouts and let the coverstock,speed and hand positions handle the rest
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Re: why do the pro's use these layouts
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2007, 11:20:25 PM »
i have seen some pros use weak layouts like these two layout on very strong balls and kill heavy oil whereas people with strong layouts on strong balls complaint about their ball not finishing.
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Re: why do the pro's use these layouts
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2007, 11:36:59 PM »
Most have enough hand to get the ball to react without trouble, enough control over their speed/rev ratio to make the ball react the way they want.  Most use longer pin layouts to give them length and to keep the balls from reading the heads and mids too much.

They're not all like that, though.  WRW typically uses strong layouts, a lot of his stuff is roughly 4" pin-to-PAP with the MB in the strong position or towards the VAL.  He makes most of his adjustments not with layout but with surface, if a ball is reading too early or late, he switches to a similarly drilled ball but with less or more surface.

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Re: why do the pro's use these layouts
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2007, 12:11:15 AM »
if i punched a weight hole in my ball would it weaken it?  with these layouts that is
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Re: why do the pro's use these layouts
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2007, 09:42:09 PM »
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if i punched a weight hole in my ball would it weaken it?  with these layouts that is
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Typically, with a long and strong layout drilling out side weight isn't necessary.
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Re: why do the pro's use these layouts
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2007, 01:16:50 PM »
pros would rather control the ball with their hand than have the ball do all the work... i know me personally i am a cranker and i prefer weaker drillings on the pba experience...
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Re: why do the pro's use these layouts
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2007, 11:42:59 PM »
Wizard,
Both of the layouts you have listed are what I normally use.  The pin over/under the middle finger or pin over/under the ring finger (CG under palm) give me alot better read on the lanes.  I have tried numerous "strong" drillings and they usually ending burning up in the mids or flaring out.  These drillings allow you to use more of your speed, axis tilt, rev control and surface prep like you said.
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Re: why do the pro's use these layouts
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2007, 12:48:17 AM »
First forget the myth that strong pin placements and or layouts are needed for heavy long patterns.  That is such BS!  In fact, I have used skid/flip balls with length/back end layouts with good success on long heavy patterns.

The coverstock on the ball is the most important part of the reaction.  You can build a solid arsenal of balls with the same exact layout on each one.  Just let the cover and cores separate the reactions.  

Some bowlers use different pin, CG and MB placements on each one of the bowling balls in there arsenals.  Others use the same exact layout on each ball and let the cover and cores separate the reactions.  Then some bowlers use the same pin placement on each ball but change the CG and or MB location.

WRW basically uses the same layout on every ball.  He rely's on surface adjustments not different layouts.




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Re: why do the pro's use these layouts
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2007, 09:14:32 AM »
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So you could build an whole line up with these type layouts and let the coverstock,speed and hand positions handle the rest


YES!!! What you have to do is find what works for your game.  5" to PAP, 4" to PAP...and so on.  Once you see what pin distance works best for you, keep everything close to it(I'd .  Now keep in mind that its different for everybody depnding on their style and PAP.  So for you 5" PAP may be under the ring whereas some may be all under the bridge and so on.  So don't worry so much of the physical location but rather the measurement.  I keep most of mine about 4 1/2" to 5". Now that doesn't mean that every ball I own is stacked.  You can still play with the MB location to influence reaction as well as the location of Weight holes.



 
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i have seen some pros use weak layouts like these two layout on very strong balls and kill heavy oil whereas people with strong layouts on strong balls complaint about their ball not finishing.


When it comes to long oil you usually want a "weaker" or more stable drill to get a good read on the backends.  You throw a ball that wants to roll early and the ball will not come up as hard because it wants using most if its energy up front.


 
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if i punched a weight hole in my ball would it weaken it? with these layouts that is


Depends on where you place the WH.  You can always add a flare increasing to get a little more read out the ball.

 
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The coverstock on the ball is the most important part of the reaction. You can build a solid arsenal of balls with the same exact layout on each one. Just let the cover and cores separate the reactions.


I totally agree and like I stated you don't have to have the same layout exactly, you can still play with MB placements to influence roll types.

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