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newbie101

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Question re: x hole on the Rico Layout
« on: January 17, 2008, 02:22:25 PM »
I had a total inferno drilled with the Rico layout...my driller did not drill the x hole on the ball, he said the side weight is 3/4 so its legal no need for the hole...my question is:

1. Is the x hole necessary to get the right reaction for this layout
   regardless of the side weight? (assuming it's 1oz or less side weight)
   
2.  or Is the x hole use only to make the ball legal.

The total inferno is a symetrical ball, the x hole was discuss further by rico only on the assymetrical ball.

I would appreciate everybody's help..specially Mr. Ric Hamlin..thank you.

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newbie101

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Re: Question re: x hole on the Rico Layout
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2008, 10:47:35 PM »
I think I found the answer here:
http://bowlingknowledge.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=181&Itemid=1

Thanks.

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JohnP

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Re: Question re: x hole on the Rico Layout
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2008, 10:29:33 AM »
Throw the ball and see how you like the reaction.  If you're not pleased, try surface adjustments.  If you're still not pleased, add the balance hole.  --  JohnP
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Re: Question re: x hole on the Rico Layout
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2008, 03:06:21 PM »
I also have a question regarding the weight hole, if its not a big bother?

If you put the weight hole 6 3/4 inches from the pin through the cg, have any high track players had issues tracking over the weight hole? If so, how would you fix the problem?
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Re: Question re: x hole on the Rico Layout
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2008, 06:45:10 PM »
Thank you Mr. hamlin. I have my driller put the X-hole.

Regarding the question of ryno4000..If you read this from Ric hamlin's website:
http://www.brunsnick.com/rico_ball_layout.html

it says you need to drill the x-hole "The X-hole will raise your bowtie up, eliminating tracking issues". This what I understand what he is saying..I could be wrong.

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Re: Question re: x hole on the Rico Layout
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2008, 06:57:28 PM »
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That is the Nick Smith's website, BTW.


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Re: Question re: x hole on the Rico Layout
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2008, 08:32:13 PM »
Ric, just how important is the x hole & how much difference might it make in ball reaction? I have a ball drilled Rico, but didn't require x hole for legality & I don't clip the holes. Should I get a x hole anyway?
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Re: Question re: x hole on the Rico Layout
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2008, 08:41:55 PM »
Thanks for the reply. When I got it drilled I was told it was legal, so didn't need a hole & I'm not a high tracker. Didn't realize the x hole enhanced the reaction. I'll get a hole drilled, thanks again. Oh, & I like the ball a lot, shot 299 1st game out of the shop!
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Re: Question re: x hole on the Rico Layout
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2008, 11:07:20 PM »
Righty, I guess you didn't notice that Rick DIDN'T answer your question. He side stepped it or whatever.

You asked him if the ball needed an extra hole and/or what difference in ball reaction you would get from it, correct..? Maybe he conveniently lost his eye sight..? He surely didn't read what you wrote or answer your question.
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Merely placing the pin in the palm is whatever distance it would be from the players PAP, as well as taking the chance of flaring over the middle finger.
Did he not read that you said the ball didn't clip the finger holes..?

He didn't even mention that you did place the CG at a 45* angle. Maybe that doesn't matter..? It's all about the pin placement and the weight hole, so why not put the CG in your thumb hole..?

I think the koolaid is wearing off or maybe he's getting old.

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The reaction is created by the weight hole placement.


What reaction..? I guess he's saying your ball doesn't react without the hole..? You know it does, probably reacts fairly strong and you said doesn't clip the holes either..!!

It all sounds lame to me and it went right over your head.

For your information, if you place a weight hole in the ball where it's prescribed, it'll start up sooner and react smoother on the back and off the dry. That's what's going to be enhanced..!! The sonner and smoother reaction will be enhanced, not the ball getting stronger down the lane. I hope you understand that..?

If the ball is too strong now and you want to TAME IT DOWN, then put a hole in it as per the Rico recommendation. Hopefully this answers your question for you. =:^D
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Re: Question re: x hole on the Rico Layout
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2008, 12:23:31 AM »
Oh god, now he's echoing.

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Re: Question re: x hole on the Rico Layout
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2008, 08:45:10 AM »
Another worthless post from BrunsNick. And BTW, Richie told me the Rico layout was invented by Lane #1 employees for the Buzzsaw. It was not invented by Rick Hamlin or Brunswick.

There you have it, another Lane #1 1st passed on and being used by Brunswick..!! Good job. =:^D
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Re: Question re: x hole on the Rico Layout
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2008, 09:12:04 AM »
Another worthless post from BrunsRic.
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 By placing the weight hole 6 3/4" from the primary pin, you are creating the strongest amount of asymmetry in a symmetrical core ball. Why? Because it is 45 degrees from the primary pin
A weight hole 6 3/4" from the pin makes it 90 degrees from the primary pin..!! You guys are piling them up.

And again you didn't address rightys concerns while trying to explain to me the Rico/Lane #1 layout as if you were talking to a 2nd grader. Good God..!!

It's time for everyone to start getting their facts straight so we can move bowling in the right direction, while stopping this childish jibberish going on with you Brunswick guys. =:^D
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Re: Question re: x hole on the Rico Layout
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2008, 10:10:43 AM »
Jesus H. Christmas.

Ric, please, just avoid efforts to help.  You merely place yourself in the crosshairs.  You've got to have many things that are infinitely more important in your life than making yourself than public scrutiny.  I'm certain that Ric is capable of speaking about the drilling aspects of Brunswick products with a fair amount of clarity.  If mistakes are made, this proves, nothing more than, he's human.

Who "invented" this drilling?  Who cares.  It works for a great many bowlers, professional or otherwise,  with or without exact explanations from Ric.  If I'm having open heart surgery, I don't grill the surgeon on specifics, I simply want my heart to work.

T-God, you appear to have a great knowledge of drilling bowling balls.  Why not throw your name into the hat to punch out balls in the PBA trailer?  Or is it easier to sling arrows from your comfortable little shop in the middle of BFE with Lane #1 as your chief source of income?  Seriously, that may have come out snotty and I apologize if it sounds like it did.  The debate amongst Lane #1 supporters/detractors will perpetuate regardless fo your efforts or their products.  If they never win on tour, they'll be chastised.  If they win this season, people will ask, "What took you so long?".

There's several ways to educate.  Some of them border on humiliation.  Others border on civility.
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Re: Question re: x hole on the Rico Layout
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2008, 10:15:25 AM »
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When I got it drilled I was told it was legal, so didn't need a hole & I'm not a high tracker. Didn't realize the x hole enhanced the reaction. I'll get a hole drilled, thanks again. Oh, & I like the ball a lot, shot 299 1st game out of the shop!



Now, I don't have a dog in this fight, but I would like to reiterate my original response.  The ball is legal, it doesn't HAVE to have a balance hole, and (so far as we know) it's not hitting the finger holes.  Throw it for a while.  If you like the reaction, leave it alone.  It may not be a true RICO layout, but as long as you like it, so what.  If you don't like the reaction, you can always add the balance hole later.  To me, this is just common sense.  --  JohnP
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Re: Question re: x hole on the Rico Layout
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2008, 10:39:23 AM »
Hey T-God, can you help me out? I've gotten no responses to my post in this forum re: position changes in the pin-in-palm layout, probably because of two reasons...

1. I didn't call it RICO
2. Silly me, I told Mr Hamlin he should answer a poster's question in another post. God help me!

Check the previous post and let me know the answer if you would please.


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