Author Topic: Replacing Grips (Read 6951 times)

Sportskraz · « **on:** May 13, 2008, 10:34:08 AM »

This may be a rather dumb question but is there any special tool need (or recommended) to remove old grips? I have an ebonite tape removal tool that I was planning on using but i did not know if there was something else that should be used.
Thanks

the pooh · « **Reply #1 on:** May 13, 2008, 06:52:02 PM »

There is a tool used by pro shops.You can do it with a small screwdriver if you're careful.You will have to clean it up with a bevel knife or x-acto knife when you are done.

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themagician · « **Reply #2 on:** May 13, 2008, 06:55:08 PM »

A Screwdriver will work just fine, and depending on the amount of glue used you may or may not have to worry about cleaning up the whole.

If they just use a little bit on each side as they should you can get them out almost mess free and a little acetone on a rag and you can get the little pieces out. If they used too much glue you will be needing a bevel knife ideally to get out the parts of the grip still stuck in there.
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charlest · « **Reply #3 on:** May 14, 2008, 07:48:05 AM »

A 1/8" slotted screwdriver works perfectly. It takes about 10 seconds to remove a grip IF the person who installed it used just the 2 drops, one on either side of the grip, originally. If the person glued the grip all around, then, 1, never go to him again, and, 2, it will take a long time to remove it with any tool and you'll have to throw it away, and you'll need a razor or other device to remove the clumps of grip material still stuck to the sides of the hole.

Many grips, if they haven't been worn away too much, can be used again.
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azguy · « **Reply #4 on:** May 14, 2008, 08:18:13 AM »

As charlest said, a flat tip screwdriver will work. If you plan to do all your insert work, go to your pro shop and have them order you a removal tool. It's not that much and sure is easier. If your shop won't order it, check out Master's site, it will send you to sites that you can order them.

I get them for some of my customers all the time. I personally like the style with the "T" handle.

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Sportskraz · « **Reply #5 on:** May 14, 2008, 10:16:38 AM »

Awesome, thank you very much everyone who responded.

JohnP · « **Reply #6 on:** May 14, 2008, 11:49:01 AM »

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If the person glued the grip all around, then, 1, never go to him again, and, 2, it will take a long time to remove it with any tool and you'll have to throw it away, and you'll need a razor or other device to remove the clumps of grip material still stuck to the sides of the hole.

I glue them all the way around. I'd hate to guess at how many people have brought balls in for me to reglue grips installed by my competitors using the "two drops" method. When I glue them in, they stay in, and I think that's more important than ease of removal when they wear out. I use a very thin layer of LockTite super glue applied with a brush, probably less total amount of glue than with the "two drops" method. Using my removal tool, I can get a grip out in about 10 seconds. If I had to use a screwdriver it might take a minute. -- JohnP

Grayson · « **Reply #7 on:** May 14, 2008, 12:32:06 PM »

I use a very small and sharp knife to get the grips out of the ball without any damage... takes a bit of practice but it works very well.

screwdriver is a bit ... harsh

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charlest · « **Reply #8 on:** May 14, 2008, 12:57:42 PM »

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If the person glued the grip all around, then, 1, never go to him again, and, 2, it will take a long time to remove it with any tool and you'll have to throw it away, and you'll need a razor or other device to remove the clumps of grip material still stuck to the sides of the hole.

I glue them all the way around. I'd hate to guess at how many people have brought balls in for me to reglue grips installed by my competitors using the "two drops" method. When I glue them in, they stay in, and I think that's more important than ease of removal when they wear out. I use a very thin layer of LockTite super glue applied with a brush, probably less total amount of glue than with the "two drops" method. Using my removal tool, I can get a grip out in about 10 seconds. If I had to use a screwdriver it might take a minute. -- JohnP

Sorry, John, no offense, but I just don't see the reason for all that glue. I got a new LocTite Super Glue pair. One called CONTROL and one called Gel Control. They are the best dispensers of super glue ever. Only one drop comes out at a time in a slow measured pace. The top closes securely and easily and does not dry out.

One tiny drop on each side and the grip is there permanently. Grips are changed too often, for many reasons, to be gluing the whole circumference. Some people use just 2 or 3 balls and need to change grips eveyr 2 - 3 months. I use shims to adjust the size and although there are alternatives, this is the best method I have found.

While some glue does dry up, and is not entirely functional sometimes, for the most part, gluing the whole grip seems ... not the best thing to do.

Oh, there has/had been some concern with the super glue getting into the coverstock and interacting in some chemical reaction that might be the cause of cracking or brittleness of the coverstock. I doubt if you've had that problem or you wouldn't be doing that you're pretty cautious and sensible.
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JohnP · « **Reply #9 on:** May 14, 2008, 05:26:12 PM »

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Oh, there has/had been some concern with the super glue getting into the coverstock and interacting in some chemical reaction that might be the cause of cracking or brittleness of the coverstock. I doubt if you've had that problem or you wouldn't be doing that you're pretty cautious and sensible.

No, haven't had any cracking problems. As I said, the total amount of glue used per grip is very small. just evenly distributed around the circumference. I'll have to give the "Control" bottles a try. Have you tried the brush applicator? It puts the glue exactly where you want it in a thin layer. -- JohnP

sunsetlefty · « **Reply #10 on:** May 14, 2008, 06:17:52 PM »

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If the person glued the grip all around, then, 1, never go to him again, and, 2, it will take a long time to remove it with any tool and you'll have to throw it away, and you'll need a razor or other device to remove the clumps of grip material still stuck to the sides of the hole.

I glue them all the way around. I'd hate to guess at how many people have brought balls in for me to reglue grips installed by my competitors using the "two drops" method. When I glue them in, they stay in, and I think that's more important than ease of removal when they wear out. I use a very thin layer of LockTite super glue applied with a brush, probably less total amount of glue than with the "two drops" method. Using my removal tool, I can get a grip out in about 10 seconds. If I had to use a screwdriver it might take a minute. -- ohnP

Sorry, John, no offense, but I just don't see the reason for all that glue. I got a new LocTite Super Glue pair. One called CONTROL and one called Gel Control. They are the best dispensers of super glue ever. Only one drop comes out at a time in a slow measured pace. The top closes securely and easily and does not dry out.

One tiny drop on each side and the grip is there permanently. Grips are changed too often, for many reasons, to be gluing the whole circumference. Some people use just 2 or 3 balls and need to change grips eveyr 2 - 3 months. I use shims to adjust the size and although there are alternatives, this is the best method I have found.

While some glue does dry up, and is not entirely functional sometimes, for the most part, gluing the whole grip seems ... not the best thing to do.

Oh, there has/had been some concern with the super glue getting into the coverstock and interacting in some chemical reaction that might be the cause of cracking or brittleness of the coverstock. I doubt if you've had that problem or you wouldn't be doing that you're pretty cautious and sensible.
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I use the Locite Control Gel. However, I do agree with JohnP in that the '2 drop' method is inadequate.
The '2 drop' method is used by the customer who sends his ball down the lane and has the finger insert go 30 feet in the air along with it. I see it all the time.

I don't glue the entire circumference of the grip hole, either. I leave the back of the grip unglued for shim insertion, as charlest said.

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charlest · « **Reply #11 on:** May 14, 2008, 07:41:02 PM »

Gary,

The 2 drop method has never failed me more importantly it has never failed my driller who's been doing it for as many years as he has installed grips. I'm not sure John is saying that I think he is just trying to be sure. But we'll wait for his reply.
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sunsetlefty · « **Reply #12 on:** May 14, 2008, 07:47:54 PM »

Quote:

I glue them all the way around. I'd hate to guess at how many people have brought balls in for me to reglue grips installed by my competitors using the "two drops" method. When I glue them in, they stay in, and I think that's more important than ease of removal when they wear out. I use a very thin layer of LockTite super glue applied with a brush, probably less total amount of glue than with the "two drops" method. Using my removal tool, I can get a grip out in about 10 seconds. If I had to use a screwdriver it might take a minute. -- JohnP

Quote: "they stay in" unquote.....
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charlest · « **Reply #13 on:** May 14, 2008, 08:08:28 PM »

quote:
Quote:

I glue them all the way around. I'd hate to guess at how many people have brought balls in for me to reglue grips installed by my competitors using the "two drops" method. When I glue them in, they stay in, and I think that's more important than ease of removal when they wear out. I use a very thin layer of LockTite super glue applied with a brush, probably less total amount of glue than with the "two drops" method. Using my removal tool, I can get a grip out in about 10 seconds. If I had to use a screwdriver it might take a minute. -- JohnP

Quote: "they stay in" unquote.....
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Fine. It's still completely unnecessary, near as I can tell, but I've only been doing it for 12 years or so.
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lsf_21 · « **Reply #14 on:** May 14, 2008, 08:16:57 PM »

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I use a very small and sharp knife to get the grips out of the ball without any damage... takes a bit of practice but it works very well.

screwdriver is a bit ... harsh
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what i use takes just a few seconds to get it out unless they took and poured a bottle of glue in there. ive even seen a few pro shops use this instead of the remover tool.
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