Author Topic: Reverse finger pitch ? (Read 4900 times)

johns811 · « **on:** November 30, 2004, 09:33:24 PM »

I'm going to try some reverse/away on finger pitch. Right now I'm at zero. What is a good starting point for an experiment 1/8", 1/4".

Thanks

agroves · « **Reply #1 on:** December 01, 2004, 07:23:37 AM »

I went from 0 pitch in my fingers with insert, the ones with tips. That provides you with, I believe, a 1/4 forward pitch. I now have 1/8 rev, with ovals. It is so much more comfortable. I have an Intense with 1/2 rev in both fingers. It is different, I don't know if I like it yet or not.

I would start at 1/8 and see how that feels first. The plus to rev pitch, is normally hitting up on the ball less.

Andrew
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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #2 on:** December 01, 2004, 07:51:40 AM »

in Agroves case that is a 3/8 move. 0 +1/4 forward lift pitch = +1/4 pitch before now 1/8 reverse + 0 lift pitch = 1/8 reverse now. A lot of move.

Two things are typically done with such a dramatic move.

Either more forward with the thumb or a slight lengthening of the span.
Bill taylor says 1/16 for every 3/8 of reverse pitch in fingers.

A guy around here is moving everyone about 1/4 forward with a thumb position if good and at least 1/4 reverse in fingers in conjunction with this move. Other guys on this site have done it and also some are having good results.

REgards,

Luckylefty

agroves · « **Reply #3 on:** December 01, 2004, 09:04:58 AM »

quote:
in Agroves case that is a 3/8 move. 0 +1/4 forward lift pitch = +1/4 pitch before now 1/8 reverse + 0 lift pitch = 1/8 reverse now. A lot of move.

Two things are typically done with such a dramatic move.

Either more forward with the thumb or a slight lengthening of the span.
Bill taylor says 1/16 for every 3/8 of reverse pitch in fingers.

A guy around here is moving everyone about 1/4 forward with a thumb position if good and at least 1/4 reverse in fingers in conjunction with this move. Other guys on this site have done it and also some are having good results.

REgards,

Luckylefty

Oops! I forgot to mention that I shortened my span from 4 5/8 to 4 1/2.

Andrew
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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #4 on:** December 01, 2004, 09:16:38 AM »

this is different than usual.

Bill Taylor states that adding reverse pitch or changing reverse pitch by 3/8 makes the span feel 1/16 shorter and the span must be lengthened.

So if one adds reverse and leaves span the same many will then decrease reverse on thumb or add forward depending on one's starting point!

REgards,

Lcukylefty

agroves · « **Reply #5 on:** December 01, 2004, 09:19:43 AM »

quote:
this is different than usual.

Bill Taylor states that adding reverse pitch or changing reverse pitch by 3/8 makes the span feel 1/16 shorter and the span must be lengthened.

So if one adds reverse and leaves span the same many will then decrease reverse on thumb or add forward depending on one's starting point!

REgards,

Lcukylefty

Dammit...I keep forgeting. I went from 1/4 rev, 1/8 in thumb to 1/4 rev and have since dropped to 1/8 rev, thumb hole, on some of the balls.

Andrew
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Goof1073 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 01, 2004, 09:35:10 AM »

We've been utilizing the reverse finger / forward thump pitch move on a good number of the more competitive bowlers in our area lately with great results. I was personally on a new grip quest for some time and tried a CLT, various pitches, spans, etc. I have recently settled on a grip and have even molded my thumb to insure an exact feel from ball to ball.

My span only change by 1/16" on my middle finger, but my pitches change a whole lot:

Middle: OLD - 1/4 For x 3/8 L to NEW - 1/4 Rev x 1/2 L
Ring: OLD - 1/8 For x 5/16 R to NEW - 3/8 Rev x 1/4 R
Thumb: OLD - 3/8 Rev x 0 to NEW - 1/8 Rev x 0

A whole bunch of changes, but as a result I now have a more relaxed feel in the ball, don't have to squeeze as much, have a free'r release and don't hit the ball so darn much anymore. The new pitches and span also have allowed me to tilt the ball more which produce better projection down the lane.
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JohnP · « **Reply #7 on:** December 01, 2004, 09:58:17 AM »

johns811 -- Your finger pitch should be determined by your first finger joint flexibility. If it freely bends 90 degrees, I use 0 pitch; 75 degrees, 1/8 reverse; 60 degrees, 1/4 reverse; 30 degrees, 1/2 reverse; etc. If you use reverse pitch on a flexible finger, expect to lose revs. If you're using finger grips with lifts, drill the holes with enough reverse pitch to offset the pitch in the lift. -- JohnP

Mike Austin · « **Reply #8 on:** December 02, 2004, 12:14:48 AM »

I use 3/4 reverse with my fingers trying to get a little more rolly motion, I have a fairly low track. No loss of revs. Lengthened my span 3/32 on middle finger, but only 1/16 on ring finger. My ring finger is very stiff. Have used 1 inch reverse before, feels great, but glueing in the grips is a pain. Switched to Vacu Grips, and just slice 'em off with an Exacto knife.

Ultimately, JohnP is right. It is really based on the flexibility of your hand. Don't be afraid of reverse pitch, though I am afraid for people using forward pitch with their fingers. OUch.....

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