Author Topic: Reverse Finger Pitch = Higher Track? (Read 6994 times)

Dan Griffin · « **on:** August 15, 2016, 10:46:57 AM »

As an experiment I recently went from zero to 1/4" reverse in my fingers. I tried it out last night and noticed something interesting. My track was a good 1/2" higher than usual. I bowled several games and it was consistently higher the entire time. Is that normal?

This is the first time I've tried using reverse in my fingers and I really liked it. My release felt smoother and it doesn't seem like I lost any revs. As a bonus my thumb never got stuck in the ball which is something I've struggled with.

2handedvolcano · « **Reply #1 on:** August 15, 2016, 03:04:49 PM »

Have you tried 300 to 330 degrees from the pap. That layout works really well for me.

HankScorpio · « **Reply #2 on:** August 15, 2016, 03:11:05 PM »

Quote from: 2handedvolcano on August 15, 2016, 03:04:49 PM

Have you tried 300 to 330 degrees from the pap. That layout works really well for me.

What on earth does that have to do with reverse in the fingers...

To the OP, yes, changing your pitches can absolutely alter your release, and in some cases this can be entirely on purpose. Mo Pinel refers to it as a "performance for", altering pitches with the goal of adding or subtracting tilt and rotation.

Fair warning though: don't be shocked if you mentally adjust and your track slides back where it was. It happens. However, it's far more important that you're clearing your thumb consistently, so while it's something to be cognizant of (your PAP has moved), it's not something I'd be overly worried about.

charlest · « **Reply #3 on:** August 15, 2016, 03:29:19 PM »

Quote from: HankScorpio on August 15, 2016, 03:11:05 PM

Quote from: 2handedvolcano on August 15, 2016, 03:04:49 PM
Have you tried 300 to 330 degrees from the pap. That layout works really well for me.

What on earth does that have to do with reverse in the fingers...

Absolutely nothing, Hank.

That has become his main problem here. He makes comments about bowling that have no one solitary thing to do with the topic being discussed or the question being asked.

He makes a comment just to get attention.

charlest · « **Reply #4 on:** August 15, 2016, 03:31:56 PM »

Sorry for the sidestep, Dan.

I agree with Hank. Normally, Mo will suggest different changes in the reverse/forward finger pitches to affect the track. If both fingers go in the same direction, that would not usually change the track, but everyone's physical hand structure is somewhat to a lot different. This may have worked for you. AS Hank says, see if the track/PAP remains where it is.

bergman · « **Reply #5 on:** August 15, 2016, 11:31:36 PM »

Generally speaking, reverse finger pitch is more advantageous to bowlers who release
the ball from the side of the hand and on the upswing at release (similar to the traditional "old school" release). On the other hand, I have found that bowlers who
collapse their wrist at release generally fare better utilizing some forward finger pitch.
Again, this is a very general rule of thumb that has worked well for my students. Keep in mind that bowlers with certain physical limitations will sometimes require different pitch configurations.

Impending Doom · « **Reply #6 on:** August 16, 2016, 12:08:57 AM »

The hand should be fit to accommodate the contours and flexibility of the hand.

Dan Griffin · « **Reply #7 on:** August 16, 2016, 09:09:11 AM »

Quote from: bergman on August 15, 2016, 11:31:36 PM

Generally speaking, reverse finger pitch is more advantageous to bowlers who release
the ball from the side of the hand and on the upswing at release (similar to the traditional "old school" release). On the other hand, I have found that bowlers who
collapse their wrist at release generally fare better utilizing some forward finger pitch.
Again, this is a very general rule of thumb that has worked well for my students. Keep in mind that bowlers with certain physical limitations will sometimes require different pitch configurations.

I learned how to bowl in the late 90's, so I guess I have a more old school release. I quit back in 2003 and then started back again this year. Guess I'm stuck in kind of a time warp. lol

avabob · « **Reply #8 on:** August 16, 2016, 11:50:39 AM »

I had to chuckle about someone who learned in the 90's being old school. I guess that is the price I pay for pushing 70. As an old, old school stroker from the 70's I had a terrible time changing my release to stop hitting up on the ball past the bottom of my swing until I went to reverse in the fingers. The change didn't really impact my track or PAP although it actually increased my rev rate because I was no longer fighting gravity when I hit the ball at the bottom as opposed to grabbing and closing my hand on the upswing.

bergman · « **Reply #9 on:** August 16, 2016, 04:29:00 PM »

I had the same problem. Changing my finger pitches (more reverse), along with some very good tips from Bill Hall who once told me that at the release point to make sure to "be nice" to the ball (along with creating a nice flat spot with the follow through) made a huge improvement . It wasn't easy. I started bowling over 50 years ago. My mentor in those days , an accomplished bowler in his own right, advised that when it came to developing a good follow through, told me to imagine reaching for the TV antenna
that was perched atop the roof of the center. In addition, all of us had a lot of forward finger pitch in those days, along with stretched spans and perhaps too much reverse thumb pitch--- all in an effort to gain that one extra, elusive "rev".

Time have indeed, certainly changed.

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