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mrbowlingnut

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Reverse in thumb to forward opinions
« on: May 14, 2008, 05:25:21 AM »
I have been using 1/8 left and 1/8 reverse in my thumb for the longest time, I read the BTM story about thumb timing from Susie Minshew. I believe i have the problems she describes going on about squeezing the ball slightly to keep it from falling off my hand too fast at the bottom of my swing.

Here's the kicker i have pretty stiff joints and not a bunch of flexibility, for those who have made the change to forward with stiffer joints what was the amount your hand could handle just a curious question since there is no right answer to this???

Also did you shorten spans when you made the change ???
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LuckyLefty

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Re: Reverse in thumb to forward opinions
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2008, 02:20:59 PM »
More forward and more lateral right for a righty add holding power.

Why are you left lateral??  Anatomy, desired roll??

What is your span?

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PS I don't believe forward is an objective....forward in relation to the tables ie 1/8reverse for a 5 inch span is similar to 1/4 forward for a 4 1/4 inch span....both are near the same amount forward from Bill Taylors old fashioned 63 degree ideal angle.
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Re: Reverse in thumb to forward opinions
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2008, 02:25:53 PM »
Yes...saw span in profile.....that is a very standard pitch for a 4 1/2 inch span....ie 1/8 reverse but that is a starting point.  If your anatomy calls for lateral under palm thumb pitch (later release and stronger hold) but you have gone to 1/8 lateral out for a desired roll then often a move to 0 forward reverse or 1/8 forward would not be unusual.

I would gander and guess about a 0 forward reverse would be a nice compromise if those assumptions above combined with a stiff thumb are correct.

For example.....I have a 1/4 lateral under thumb(as to anatomy).  When I use 1/8 lateral I have my reverse on my 5 inch span 3/16 reverse.  When I want a more up the back roll and go to 1/16 lateral left because I now come out faster....I use 0 forward reverse.  Capece?.....I have a modestly flexible thumb and slightly short.

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mrbowlingnut

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Re: Reverse in thumb to forward opinions
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2008, 03:14:10 PM »
Actually my new spans are a very relaxed 4 5/16 spans cut to cut right under 4 inches, yes it is anatomy with the 1/8 left my thumb points that direction i was 0,0 when i was younger and less stiff. My span back then was 4 7/16 ring and 4 1/2 middle which is long gone on anything i have nowdays.

I am thinking of trying as my driller suggested 1/8 forward at probably a good starting point, he says that might be pushing it with me as it is. Should he also shorten the span even more or leave it alone since it is very relaxed in the first place???

Btw I was hoping you would answer and maybe a few other drillers, any info is helpful just trying to get real world results.
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Re: Reverse in thumb to forward opinions
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2008, 03:19:36 PM »
I'm fairly flexible (at least in my thumb), but went from 4 1/2" span using 3/16" reverse to a 4 3/8" span with 3/8 forward.  Surprisingly, I didn't take me very long to adjust to throwing the new pitch..  if I would squeeze a little though, I would tug it and not get much on it.. luckily I got over that fairly quickly.  I think I could still go with a little more forward.. maybe another 1/16 or so.. not completely sure.. may give it a shot on the next ball I drill up.

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mrbowlingnut

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Re: Reverse in thumb to forward opinions
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2008, 03:30:49 PM »
Scott do you get more on the ball with less effort as the Minshew article suggests?? Anything too help a fudge knuckler like me would help, sometimes i hit the crap out of the ball and still ball reaction.

I am thinking it is just off my hand too fast to really get on the ball like I can when i throw 2 fingered or 2 handed. I can go coast to coast with a lane 1 plastic ball either 2 fingers or 2 handed, something stronger is in the ditch at 45 feet if i really rev it up with those styles.
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Re: Reverse in thumb to forward opinions
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2008, 04:44:38 PM »
I went from 1/8 left 0 forward/reverse to 1/2 forward, no need to short my span, and added 5 pieces of tape, result is better swing, rev rate increased, and see a lot more messengers, its a bit tuff at the beginning, as long as you relax your thumb and go for a shot without grabing the ball, it will come out nice.  I would suggest go 1/2 and adjust backwards 1/8 at a time.

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mrbowlingnut

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Re: Reverse in thumb to forward opinions
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2008, 10:51:09 PM »
Well made the move to 1/8 forward and 0 lateral went out and bowled had a ton more control and much better timing with the ball. I could get more stuff like the BTM article stated, best more i have made in years bowling wise.

I gained more ball projection and backend increased by about 5-6 boards on average, Luckylefty has been helping me and actually suggested the same span change. Went in and talked it over with my driller and he came up with the same grip as lucky suggested without me saying i was told that already.

So even though flexibility lacks it was a night and day difference roll wise, the ball picked up much more revs faster and i had alot more time on the bottom to do different things with my hand positions.

I was surprised that I had no problem with a 1/4 forward change and 1/8 change towards the palm.

Thanks for the help you guys are great on here, I feel like we are family here no matter what stupid azz forum some people love to fight in.

it proves there are good people here still and that is why i like it here enough to stick around.

On edit the span was shortened hardly any with a 1/16 on the ring finger only with all original pitches.

Edited on 5/18/2008 10:52 PM
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mrbowlingnut

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Re: Reverse in thumb to forward opinions
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2008, 11:21:34 AM »
Used the new grip was very tired and lazy still shot right at 600, grip is 10 times better for my late timing.

I can understand your point Deadbait but with a bad left sliding knee and lower back, this grip works much better for me. Projecting the ball down lane is much easier and I am able to move inside slightly and get the ball to read and recover.

So to shoot 600 when as bad i threw it shows me very positive signs, I am not set in stone on this grip Luckylefty suggested trying 1/16 right and 0 forward/reverse.

So I will try his idea on another ball but for now it's been a much better move than losing the ball every shot.

Edited on 5/23/2008 11:22 AM
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