Author Topic: Stacked Drilling (Read 12479 times)

n00dlejester · « **on:** January 25, 2009, 09:15:27 AM »

What exactly is a "stacked" drilling? I heard this term thrown around, and I never knew what it means.

What does a stacked drilling have that other drillings don't?
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themagician · « **Reply #1 on:** January 25, 2009, 05:22:01 PM »

Stacked is normally a loosely used term that people that are incompetent when it comes to layouts uses. Normally people say that and its leverage or a label drilling or they say well the CG or MB or whatever is stacked under the pin. As i said its used very loosely and really doesn't mean jack.
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charlest · « **Reply #2 on:** January 25, 2009, 05:30:26 PM »

Stacked leverage, for some people, DEPENDING greatly on their PAP's exact location, often represents the strongest pictorial representaiton of their drilling, as you look at the pin and the CG's location with respect to the drilled holes.

As magicmike indicates, this is not a true leverage for most people because everyone's PAP is not the same.

Since my PAP is (or was) a very neat 5" over with no up or down, if I have a ball with a pin-CG distance of 2-3" AND I place them under the ring finger, which for me, places the pin approximately 4" from my PAP, then, when I place the pin AND the CG both 4" from my PAP, they appear to be stacked.

A nice picture for me, of a strong-ish drilling, a 4"x4" drilling.

If, however, I stack them, BUT place the pin above the ring finger and the CG below the rf, then that drilling will be closer to a 4.75" x 4" drilling, hardly leverage.

The problem is so many people WRONGLY, as magicmike states, use the thumb and finger holes as the reference points to describe the drilling, when they should be using the PAP, the VAL and/or the midline. It's a laziness that makes true information, about the ball's drilling, not available.
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Edited on 1/25/2009 6:31 PM

witesoxwoz22 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 25, 2009, 07:24:18 PM »

My question is generally speaking if you have a "stacked drilling" under the ring finger, would a weight hole be required to make it legal?
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bluerrpilot · « **Reply #4 on:** January 25, 2009, 08:00:44 PM »

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My question is generally speaking if you have a "stacked drilling" under the ring finger, would a weight hole be required to make it legal?
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It would depend on the weights after the ball is drilled.

In its simplest form....Stacked means the Pin and CG or Pin and MB are the same distance from the bowlers pap.
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n00dlejester · « **Reply #5 on:** January 26, 2009, 09:34:49 AM »

In a 4x4 or 5x5 drilling, do they offer a different reaction than balls with a say, 5x4 have?

The reason I'm asking is I have a Storm Pyro drilled pin above ring, CG directly below ring. It's the single most hooking ball I have (covers the most boards) on league and I've thrown every ball I have. Someone told me it's stacked, but I had no idea what the deuce that meant.
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bluerrpilot · « **Reply #6 on:** January 26, 2009, 12:36:41 PM »

The amount of sideweight a ball has will offer very little effect on ball motion.
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charlest · « **Reply #7 on:** January 26, 2009, 02:28:05 PM »

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In a 4x4 or 5x5 drilling, do they offer a different reaction than balls with a say, 5x4 have?

Yes, but the difference depends on the ball, the bowler & his release and the oilpattern.

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The reason I'm asking is I have a Storm Pyro drilled pin above ring, CG directly below ring. It's the single most hooking ball I have (covers the most boards) on league and I've thrown every ball I have. Someone told me it's stacked, but I had no idea what the deuce that meant.
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Does what I wrote above, in my initial reply, confuse you?

High pins (pins above the bridge or ring finger area) will often hook more overall than lower pins (pins under the level of the bridge) IF they are located in the range of large flare (3.0 - 4.5" pin to PAP).
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n00dlejester · « **Reply #8 on:** January 27, 2009, 06:55:40 AM »

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In a 4x4 or 5x5 drilling, do they offer a different reaction than balls with a say, 5x4 have?

Yes, but the difference depends on the ball, the bowler & his release and the oilpattern.

quote:

The reason I'm asking is I have a Storm Pyro drilled pin above ring, CG directly below ring. It's the single most hooking ball I have (covers the most boards) on league and I've thrown every ball I have. Someone told me it's stacked, but I had no idea what the deuce that meant.
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Some stayed in the foothills, some washed logs like teeth.
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Does what I wrote above, in my initial reply, confuse you?

High pins (pins above the bridge or ring finger area) will often hook more overall than lower pins (pins under the level of the bridge) IF they are located in the range of large flare (3.0 - 4.5" pin to PAP).
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Hey Jeff,

Nah, I understand what you're saying. I think people were just calling the drilling I have "stacked" by it's got a pin and CG on top of each other. But that's very good to know about pin above drillings. All of my gear except one ball has pin in fingers or below for earlier rolls/control. But the more I throw this Pyro, the more I like it b/c it covers more boards and absolutely dominates the THS at Strathmore. I'm looking forward to drilling a new ball, I want to try the same drilling on a Gravity Shift I think.
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charlest · « **Reply #9 on:** January 27, 2009, 02:41:37 PM »

Steve,

I hear what you're saying. While I used to and needed to have the vast majority of my pins below the finger level, one of my first pins above was quite an eye opener (and mind opener).

Regarding stacked, think about this:
PAP measurements can have an up or a down or an even (no up or down) measurement. So, if a pin and a CG are visually stacked WITH RESPECT to the finger & thumb holes, that drilling, with PROPER respect to the bowler's PAP, can be a 4"x5", a 4"x4" or a 3"x4" drilling, each of which, IF ALL OTHER FACTORS ARE KEPT THE SAME, can result in three different ball reactions!!

Interesting, no?

Don't fall too much in love with any one drilling. A lot depends on the nature of the ball. Good luck with the Gravity.

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