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Gene J Kanak

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RICO for no thumb bowlers?
« on: February 01, 2017, 11:41:19 AM »
Can this be done? Since the grip center is technically between the fingers, would you simply move the pin either right above or right below the bridge (safe distance to avoid cracking out of course) and then keep the cg and/or MB on that 45 or so degree line moving out toward the VAL? I've never really heard of no-thumbers using this, but I'm intrigued. I never liked the layout with my thumb in the ball because I felt that it worked best for high-rev players. As such, if it can be accomplished for a no-thumb bowler, I'd be interested in trying it out to see what I get. If any of you drilling experts can offer feedback here, I'd appreciate it!

 

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Re: RICO for no thumb bowlers?
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2017, 05:05:31 PM »
Not a drilling expert but I would think that you would want to keep the pin in the "palm area" rather than the "grip center" as that is a big part of the layout.  Also, you may need a short pin or low top weight to allow for the lack of a thumb hole while keeping the 1 1/4" x 2 1/2" weight hole at 6 3/4" and 45*.  According to the link below, the layout worked better for speed dominate or lower rev players as the ball starts its roll early.

http://bowlingknowledge.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=181

On a similar note,  I stumbled on this recently and thought it looked close to RICO (not quite 45* though).  Skip to 1:55 to see the layout.  This guy bowls 2-hand with a partial thumb so his "grip center" is actually left of the "palm area".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coxjiOeUQ4E
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Re: RICO for no thumb bowlers?
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2017, 08:39:25 AM »
My understanding of the RICO drilling is it tries to get the ball to react earlier than normal.  If you adhere to the Dual Angle method, the RICO tries to get the after drilling MB further away from the thumb by putting the big balance hole at some distance away from the normal post drilling MB (thumb) on a symmetrical ball.

By lowering the drilling angle, and to keep the totals in a preferred ball park, the VAL is increased and having the pin in the palm of the grip.  Without a thumbhole, I guess you could have the MB closer to the balance hole, but I wonder how large the post drilled asymmetry would be since now you have one hole instead of two.

The problem most people have with the RICO is the drill is set while the variable is the bowler.  This means a RICO drill will behave differently for each bowler since each bowler's PAP is different. 

I personally have had a RICO drilled ball, but it wasn't anything special.  I now keep to a smaller range of drilling angles and use coverstocks to control more of what I need a ball to do.

Gene J Kanak

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Re: RICO for no thumb bowlers?
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2017, 09:50:22 AM »
Valid points. I'm big into using surface to create the look I want. I know that there is no magic layout to use; however, since I've seen RICO work really well for higher-rev players, I was curious as to whether or not something like it would work well for me as a no-thumb player.

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Re: RICO for no thumb bowlers?
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2017, 10:08:50 AM »
Are you no-thumb with or without a thumb hole?

I think that would play a bigger role.  Plus, if you don't use a thumb hole, you may not be able to get the pin in the "palm" area without exceeding statics.  I guess you could try and find a low top weight ball.

Gene J Kanak

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Re: RICO for no thumb bowlers?
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2017, 10:22:53 AM »
I go by the book, rules wise, so if I drill blank, I don't put a "thumb hole" in the ball. Most of my balls only have finger holes. There are a few that required extra holes, but I adhere to the limit of only one hole beyond the two finger holes.

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Re: RICO for no thumb bowlers?
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2017, 02:00:08 PM »
Another thought to get within specs (pin in palm) would be to put the CG to the right of a short pin (or even above the pin) rather than down at 45*.  I think the main reason the CG was inline with the pin and weight hole was to keep the ball legal as the hole is quite large. 

If you have one, have you tried flipping a pin over ball to put the pin in the palm?  That may give you an idea on the reaction. 

I started bowing 2-hand but thumb in and do have an Ogre SS with what could be called a modified RICO (pin a little below fingers and smaller weight hole at 6" roughly 45*).  It's early and smooth (for the SS) but still has enough recovery.

Gene J Kanak

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Re: RICO for no thumb bowlers?
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2017, 02:57:30 PM »
The impetus behind all of this is to find a ball that I can use on the fresh at USBC's. I need something smooth, rolly, and controllable that I can use to help our teams break down the outside during the early going.

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Re: RICO for no thumb bowlers?
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2017, 04:26:07 PM »
Why don't you contact Ric Hamlin and ask him?  --  JohnP

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Re: RICO for no thumb bowlers?
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2017, 12:35:53 AM »
I have never tried the layout mostly because of my PAP and other stats. As a tip from TWOHAND834, I drilled a Ride about 2 inches from my axis. Originally, I planned to use the layout as a shiny piece that would help me on flatter patterns, but I found good use out of it with surface even more. He cautioned me to not use it on a higher didferential ball as it would flare more than desired greating more backend than wanted. This was proven to apply to my game as I bought a GB2 with a similar layout and it is very condition specific at the moment. I know you were a Brunswick fan a year or two ago, but I don't know what company you are into right now. Perhaps a Rack Attack Solid would fit the bill?
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Re: RICO for no thumb bowlers?
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2017, 07:11:06 AM »
As coincidence would have it, I am possibly looking to acquire the Rack Attack Solid. lol

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Re: RICO for no thumb bowlers?
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2017, 07:28:38 PM »
I know this is an older thread, but here's my take. The rico places the pin in grip center with the cg at 45 degrees and a weight hole 6-3/4" from pin through cg. With you being a no thumb bowler, your grip center is between the fingers. You can't place the pin in your palm, because that's not your grip center. I'd suggest placing the pin in the ring or middle finger with the cg 45 degree and weight hole 6-3/4". Put the critical part would be finding a very low top weight ball. Just my $.02, Bruce
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