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RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« on: May 15, 2007, 10:23:57 PM »
Guys, Im just wondering if RICO layout is suitable for stroker, tweener or is it just suitable for cranker only?

Thanks in advance
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2007, 07:01:49 PM »
A Rico layout I say is suitable for all kinds, as the purpose of that layout is have a ball that reacts off of the "hand" you put behind it-it takes the core completely out of play.  I have that in my Track Phenom, as a cranker, and it works for me.  I had that in my Track Phoenix initally, but I am a fan of the Robo core, and wanted to have it play a part in my overall ball reaction.
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2014, 08:26:18 PM »
This is a really old thread, but I had a generic question so I thought I'd resurrect it.

Generally speaking, would a Rico layout work for slower ball speeds?
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2014, 08:40:26 PM »
It merely enhances a bowling ball...if you have slower speed it would prolly benefit you to use a later response type cover and core to close down your angles
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2014, 10:26:07 PM »
I bowl in a center where pin downs are not usually the answer.

I believe some guys have tried this drilling and like most pin downs it has not worked.

Why does/would this drilling work in a predominately pin up house.

When one says, "it enhances ball reaction".  What does that mean?
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2014, 12:22:46 AM »
Quote from: LuckyLefty on April 28, 2014, 10:26:07 PM
I bowl in a center where pin downs are not usually the answer.

I believe some guys have tried this drilling and like most pin downs it has not worked.

Why does/would this drilling work in a predominately pin up house.

When one says, "it enhances ball reaction".  What does that mean?
Regards,

Luckylefty

This is the most ridiculous blanket statement I've ever read on this site, "pin down balls are usually not the answer in your center", um, ok.
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2014, 08:07:13 AM »
Are the pin down group changing surface or moving their feet?
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2014, 09:07:27 AM »
Justrico/Ric Hamlin has stated before about the rico layout. If you want info on the brunsnick has posted on his website how to do this layout. Justrico also stated before about the importance of the location of the weight hole and the size of the weight hole. I see and hear so many bowlers tell me they have a rico layout and I look at it and tell them they have a pin down layout. They say it the same and I tell them it's different. I disagree with the statement that pin down drillings don't work in a center. Without seeing the bowlers and what they're trying to do with the ball: surface, what part of lane they're playing, etc...! This layout works great for me on the fresh when I can play up the boards, but doesn't work as well when I move deep. I drilled one for a friend and he loved the ball when he played deep and he used it probably 90% of the time he bowled! I've used it on a Brunswick Loaded Revolver, Lane Masters Sure Strike and Sting and it worked on them all. Just my $.02, Bruce

I've added a link to Brunsnick rico layout video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxo7WxBQAAY
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2014, 09:45:18 AM »
Northface,

Great comments.  OK ....

OUr multitime regional champion pro shop driller.....drills many balls a week.  He says many have asked for various pin downs and he has complied and the bowlers say...."it doesn't work here".  He is wrong you are right.

I have brought in quite a few balls with pin downs which I use on many other patterns in the state with a lot of satisfaction.(my preferred drilling and often appropriate on many lefty shots I see)  I can get them in the pocket and have very little success carrying at this center.  I am wrong, you are right.

I have looked at the balls of our state known bowlers who tear this center up and all of them except one 20 mph bowler are using pin up.  They are wrong, you are right!

I have tried pin down under bridge, pin down 4 1/4, pin down 2 inch pin to pap stacked, pin down 2 inch pin to pap cg near grip center, I have tried pin down Revs Leverage (slight modification), I have tried pin down 3 3/8 pin to pap, stacked and 3 3/8 pin down mb on VAL.  They lazily hit in this center and carry for me with low percentage.  I am wrong you are right.

I have not tried Rico, but our ball driller has complied with customer requests and drilled rico for this house and reported that the high level state known bowlers who used it were "disappointed" in this house with the results...He says they go to other centers and report better results with the Rico.

Tell me again about the statement above....
I know you are a very good bowler, but I guess I am confused...


Thanks,

Luckylefty
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2014, 10:29:52 AM »
It may not be the drilling LuckyLefty as much as surface prep! Just a thought! I don't bowl there and have no idea what the bowlers are dealing with and so I can't comment on pin down layouts for that center. You know the house and typically a pin up drilling for me gives me more movement off the spot, whereas the pin down reads sooner and smoother off the spot. Are the lanes wood, synthetic and what type of lanes does it have. Thanks, Bruce
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2014, 11:06:59 AM »
Bat,

Great sincere questions and appreciated.

The center seems to have a stripper problem.  In most cases a quick response to friction is needed to carry.  Problem seems worse on the left due to the usual lack of friction in the lanebed.  Early Anvilane.

The center however seems to have a tendency to create more midlane than what is needed in the fronts for all pin downs.  Or any mass bias that has much kickout.

I have mostly used pin downs as a lefty since I have been bowling with a revs leverage being one of my favorite drillings over the years.  Not this center not even close!  DOA.

REgards,

Luckylefty

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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2014, 11:51:24 AM »
So pin downs burn up too much in the mids. So the balls are puking a bit? Is there any surface prep or hand position changes that make a difference?
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2014, 01:08:46 PM »
Only balls that work in my house are balls that use primary colors.  What a coincidence!
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2014, 01:14:15 PM »
All the good bowlers use pin up and no longer fight it.

Last year the shot was much shorter and much cleaner in the back pin down only!

I have not quizzed them on their various strategies, but I have noted one guy at between 19 and 20.5 on his strike ball has many pin downs.  That seems to work for all the guys over 20.  Just him.

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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2014, 01:28:54 PM »
Quote from: Urethane Game on April 29, 2014, 01:08:46 PM
Only balls that work in my house are balls that use primary colors.  What a coincidence!

You must be bowling on the ROYGBIV oil pattern.
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