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tomgriffin

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High PAP
« on: April 15, 2009, 07:11:53 AM »
What are the ramifications/drilling impacts of a high PAP? My PAP is more than 1 1/2 the horizontal value (1 5/8). Are there any layouts that I should steer clear of? Conversely, is there anything I can be doing layout/surface/release wise that would maximize my potential?

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tomgriffin

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Re: High PAP
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2009, 09:04:23 AM »
Anyone?
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JohnP

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Re: High PAP
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2009, 10:33:16 AM »
Your original post is confusing.  Exactly what are your PAP coordinates -- horizontal and vertical.  I can't tell from your post.  --  JohnP
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tomgriffin

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Re: High PAP
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2009, 11:05:40 AM »
About 5.5 over and 1 5/8 up.
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JohnP

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Re: High PAP
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2009, 10:16:35 PM »
That's not very unusual.  All it really means is that your track is angled from the thumb hole away from the finger holes.  No problems with any layouts that I'm aware of.  --  JohnP
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bluerrpilot

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Re: High PAP
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2009, 11:50:49 PM »
Without knowing axis tilt and rotation (no the up measurment is not a tilt indicator) that pap says you have lots of forward roll and your thumb stays in the ball for a long time. I would point you to PtoP distances in the 4-4 1/2" range and dont be afraid to use surface.
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chitown

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Re: High PAP
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2009, 10:41:06 PM »
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Without knowing axis tilt and rotation (no the up measurement is not a tilt indicator) that pap says you have lots of forward roll and your thumb stays in the ball for a long time. I would point you to PtoP distances in the 4-4 1/2" range and dont be afraid to use surface.
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I'm not so sure about the above.  I have found through my own hand release problems that the up measurement has a lot to do with ball tilt.

My problem was simple, I was flaring over the thumb.  My ball track was about 1" away from the fingers but was rolling over the thumb with the first few flare rings.  My pap "up" measurement was 1.5" up.  I was coming up the back of the ball with very little ball tilt.  

I changed my hand release to create more ball tilt, which pulled the flare rings off the thumb hole.  This fix brought my pap "up" measurement down to 5/8" up.  My problem was directly associated with ball tilt.

His pap also doesn't necessarily mean he's staying in the thumb too long.  A full roller has a high "up" measurement.



Edited on 4/22/2009 10:45 PM
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J_Mac

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Re: High PAP
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2009, 11:19:51 PM »
I have very little axis tilt and the up portion of my PAP is 1 5/8" on a 3-piece spare ball.

No portion of the PAP relates to axis tilt or axis rotation.
Track diameter is the best indicator of axis tilt...
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JohnP

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Re: High PAP
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2009, 10:46:28 AM »
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Track diameter is the ONLY ACCURATE indicator of axis tilt...  


Corrected  --  JohnP

Edited on 4/24/2009 10:46 AM
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