Author Topic: Ball Doesn't Flip (Read 3533 times)

slap · « **on:** December 03, 2006, 10:18:30 AM »

(I originally posted this is the hammer section but I thought I'd get a more opininons here.)

This is my new Toxic I had drilled this weekend. I wanted the ball to go long and snap but it doesn't. In fact on practice conditions it's only covering a few more boards than my blue vibe. I was told in the hammer section this is more of a control drill.

I plan to revisit the pro shop tomorrow to discuss this drilling. I'm looking for your advice and opinions.

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Myser · « **Reply #1 on:** December 03, 2006, 06:27:45 PM »

yea that is a control drilling. drilling 1:30 gives the ball more length and a mellow back end.
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Doug Sterner · « **Reply #2 on:** December 03, 2006, 06:31:37 PM »

The drilling you have on that ball does the following:

Pin under fingers = less length with smooth break
CG kicked right - smoother off the breakpoint, control drilling

The reaction I'd expect to see would be a long, smooth arcing style hook. No surprises, no flippiness and a fairly stable overall motion.

It'll go long yes but there will be no snappiness about it.
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brunswickcomplete · « **Reply #3 on:** December 03, 2006, 06:32:18 PM »

depends on yor axis dimensions, i use the same drill pattern and track low, it gives me a better reaction, being truer to the 3 3/8 distance (tracking low) than a stacked pin next to the finger

htotheizzo3561 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 03, 2006, 06:37:16 PM »

Unless you have slow speed or a lot of hand, thats not a very good drilling. This is one of my favorite league drillings because it reads off the dry nice, very controllable. But I do put a little bit more than normal on the ball. lol
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slap · « **Reply #5 on:** December 03, 2006, 07:00:12 PM »

Thanks for the the quick replies...(I'm learning a lot)

Yes I talked with the driller about my expectations...use on medium oil, good length with snap in the backend. From what I've learned about this drilling, I guess he heard length and drilled for max length.

There are a few different guys who staff the pro shop so I plan to talk to the more experienced driller.

EDIT: I should add that I'm a lefty but I'm sure you experts figured that out...lol
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Edited on 12/3/2006 7:52 PM

APheLion · « **Reply #6 on:** December 05, 2006, 06:35:21 PM »

lol thats a big difference being lefty!!
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monstercrank · « **Reply #7 on:** December 05, 2006, 06:43:37 PM »

yea, thats not a flip drilling at all. that would make it alot smoother on the backend lol. you can always send it to me... just a thought, lol.
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charlest · « **Reply #8 on:** December 05, 2006, 06:51:29 PM »

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Yes I talked with the driller about my expectations...use on medium oil, good length with snap in the backend. From what I've learned about this drilling, I guess he heard length and drilled for max length.
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slap,

While that drill will lean towards control more than it will snap, it is not, in and of itself, a "control drill".

Please realize that some drills will provide control and some balls will always give a sense of control, no matter how they are drilled. Some oil patterns will provide a snap reaction for many balls and many release.
In addition, some people's release, a combination of tilt, rotation, and ball speed, will never get a ball to snap.

While there are many drills that will help a ball to "snap", a lot also depends on the bowler's release and ball speed, the ball's designed-in nature AND the lane surface + the oil pattern.

FYI pins below the bridge do not automatically make a ball smooth reacting. Pins below the bridge area will, IN GENERAL, provide a smoother ball reaction that the same ball thrown by the same person on the same oil pattern, when drilled with the pin above the bridge area. NOTE WELL: Even with a high pin location, kicking the CG out towards the PAP or back towards the track will also aid in smoothign out the ball's reaction!!!

Don't let anyone kid you into thinking that another drill will trasnform this ball into having a skid/snap reaction. Depending on the way all the factors I mentioned combine, the ball will probably snap more than it does now, BUT it may still now truly snap for you. It's all a matter of degree!
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kmanestor22 · « **Reply #9 on:** December 05, 2006, 10:13:05 PM »

I drilled a Pain like that and it pretty much killed the flare. I used the same drilling for this person on a V2 Power and he loved it. I don't think this line reacts well to pin down drillings. You should be able to add a flare-increasing balance hole and get the reaction you want. I drilled a Hot Rod with the pin under my bridge and a flare-increasing weight hole and it had a ton of backend. This ball should definitely be stronger than that.
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slap · « **Reply #10 on:** December 06, 2006, 02:36:00 PM »

Thanks again, I'm learning a lot from your replies. I will be more informed customer in the pro shop...

I spoke with the actual pro shop owner about the ball. He told me of several options but recommended I throw a few games on fresh oil before doing something drastic.

Monday was my first league night with this ball. For a reason that I don't yet understand the ball reaction was much stronger on the fresh THS than on the practice conditions Friday and Sunday. I was expecting the opposite.

I was standing on the middle dot throwing at the second arrow out to just inside the first arrow with success. I was in or around the pocket all night. (I left quite a few 8 and 9 pins but that's in another thread)

The ball reaction was not the sharp snap I expected from this ball but overall I'm pleased. In fact it was my highest series this season. I concede the driller may have given me the ball reaction I needed vs what I wanted.

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Edited on 12/6/2006 3:27 PM

Goof1073 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 06, 2006, 02:45:50 PM »

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For a reason that I don't yet understand the ball reaction was much stronger on the fresh THS than on the practice conditions Friday and Sunday. I was expecting the opposite.

On a fresh shot the ball will store more energy through the heads and with the lack of carrydown it will has more dry to react to in the backend. If you practice lanes had some play on them or if your center doesn't strip the backends on the weekend you could've saw the ball burn up a little bit or not as much friction on the backend.

Just my $0.02
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