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lefty50

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Same layout in different balls?
« on: January 02, 2016, 11:25:09 AM »
I was watching one of the USBC Academy videos and heard a comment by Fred Borden that many people choose "a layout that best works for them" and then use the same layout on multiple balls. This brings up 2 questions for those who have a moment to reply...

1. Do you prefer to use the same layout on different balls or do you vary?
2. What in your mind determined the "layout that best works for you"?

As always, thanks in advance for your input.

 

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Re: Same layout in different balls?
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2016, 11:45:01 AM »
1. Do you prefer to use the same layout on different balls or do you vary?
Most all of the balls I have had with some minor variations essentially used the same layout.

I haven't really ever felt it limited me, I've tried once in a while having a radically different layout. To see if it gave me something different, but I wound up going back to my typical layouts.

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2. What in your mind determined the "layout that best works for you"?

Pretty much just experience over time, this worked, that didn't.

Using multiple balls give you a more versatile look. So other than layouts for a particular or unusual situation, Using only two or three layouts is plenty.

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All the layout does is to position the core within the ball.

When you use the same layout on multiple balls, you can get a very accurate read on the differences based on the differences between the balls without muddying the waters by using different layouts.

If you want a ball that goes long and snaps, don't buy a ball that hooks early and arcs and try to drill it to go long and snap. I interviewed Tony Reyes a few years ago, and he told me that he had over 30 balls on the truck, and all had one of only three pin positions.

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Re: Same layout in different balls?
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2016, 12:35:48 PM »
I have 2-3 different layouts that I'll use at the most.  This is because I want to try and keep it simple and let the ball's characteristics be as true as possible for my game.  Plus, it makes switching balls or changing surfaces easier as I can get a better read on what they'll do.  I generally only use 2 or 3 different pin positions at the most for the same reasons.

In the past, I've tried some different layouts to see if they would work with my game and I found myself always going back to what was tried and true for me.  It's not to say something down the line may work really well, but to date I've gotten something more specific versus being versatile.

Overall, I find it best to follow the KISS principle...Keep it simple.
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Re: Same layout in different balls?
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2016, 02:38:56 PM »

I have used the same layout on the last 10 or so balls.  It works for me.  No need to try something that may not. 

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Re: Same layout in different balls?
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2016, 03:17:20 PM »
I'll lean towards one layout on symmetricals and 2 different layouts on assymetricals. 5*65 and room for a hole on the symmetrical and either 50*5*65 or 70*5*30 on the assymetrical. I'm also thinking of switching up the 70*5*30 to just whatever ends up punching the MB out with my thumb and adjusting the pin from there.

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Re: Same layout in different balls?
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2016, 05:37:58 PM »
WRW pretty much keeps the same layout... We know what he's done in his career..

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Re: Same layout in different balls?
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2016, 07:27:27 PM »
My current "1 and 2" in the bag have the same pin distance from the PAP, but slightly different drill and val angles.
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Re: Same layout in different balls?
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2016, 08:40:17 PM »
No.1 yes.
No.2 I have 2 layouts for asymmetric, and 2 for symmetric balls. Mostly all pin up, due to my slower speed.
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Re: Same layout in different balls?
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2016, 08:52:51 PM »
For the last 2 years I have found myself relying on 2 main pin locations: pin under center of bridge and pin in ring finger hole. For pin under bridge, I have 2 main CG locations: directly under the pin and CG kicked out with a weight hole. That's 3 basic drillings.

I have, of course tried other drillings, but with rare exceptions I have not found others all that useful.

Since the vast majority of asymmetric cored balls are for heavier oils and I never see that much oil, I have only drilled symmetric cored balls recently, other than a few experiments.
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Re: Same layout in different balls?
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2016, 12:30:09 AM »
All good points, folks. Thanks for sharing.

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Re: Same layout in different balls?
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2016, 11:58:47 AM »
house bowler can get away with the same layouts on different balls

tournament bowler will want to have a variety of layouts

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Re: Same layout in different balls?
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2016, 12:14:22 PM »
I like to use same company but really havent dabbed into same layout. I tend to overthink layouts and sometimes gets me in trouble, especially pin under layouts. My new stuff im going to keep simple as i dont do many tourneys anymore, and they are mostly on THS or variation of THSs anyways. I like 4" stacked and 5"-5.5" with MB right with xhole.

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Re: Same layout in different balls?
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2016, 02:12:15 PM »
WRW pretty much keeps the same layout... We know what he's done in his career..

Bowled with WRW this past summer in Pro-Am. He has two layouts, pin under and pin over. Uses surface and hand adjustment for changes.
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Re: Same layout in different balls?
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2016, 08:32:08 AM »
I like to use layouts that are on my sweet spot. I do that to use the different covers and cores to fill my arsenal. If I want to try a new layout I will try to get advise from which ever ball company I am using. Ask questions you will get answers.  Don't think pin down will work for you ask the company rep be prepared to give information about your personal game and the house you bowl in.

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Re: Same layout in different balls?
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2016, 03:58:28 PM »
I pretty much use only 2 layouts, let the differences in the ball be the change along with surface.
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