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General Category => Drilling & Layouts => Topic started by: lefty50 on January 02, 2016, 11:25:09 AM
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I was watching one of the USBC Academy videos and heard a comment by Fred Borden that many people choose "a layout that best works for them" and then use the same layout on multiple balls. This brings up 2 questions for those who have a moment to reply...
1. Do you prefer to use the same layout on different balls or do you vary?
2. What in your mind determined the "layout that best works for you"?
As always, thanks in advance for your input.
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1. Do you prefer to use the same layout on different balls or do you vary?
Most all of the balls I have had with some minor variations essentially used the same layout.
I haven't really ever felt it limited me, I've tried once in a while having a radically different layout. To see if it gave me something different, but I wound up going back to my typical layouts.
2. What in your mind determined the "layout that best works for you"?
Pretty much just experience over time, this worked, that didn't.
Using multiple balls give you a more versatile look. So other than layouts for a particular or unusual situation, Using only two or three layouts is plenty.
Here's a quote from Rob Mautner: wait for it
All the layout does is to position the core within the ball.
When you use the same layout on multiple balls, you can get a very accurate read on the differences based on the differences between the balls without muddying the waters by using different layouts.
If you want a ball that goes long and snaps, don't buy a ball that hooks early and arcs and try to drill it to go long and snap. I interviewed Tony Reyes a few years ago, and he told me that he had over 30 balls on the truck, and all had one of only three pin positions.
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I have 2-3 different layouts that I'll use at the most. This is because I want to try and keep it simple and let the ball's characteristics be as true as possible for my game. Plus, it makes switching balls or changing surfaces easier as I can get a better read on what they'll do. I generally only use 2 or 3 different pin positions at the most for the same reasons.
In the past, I've tried some different layouts to see if they would work with my game and I found myself always going back to what was tried and true for me. It's not to say something down the line may work really well, but to date I've gotten something more specific versus being versatile.
Overall, I find it best to follow the KISS principle...Keep it simple.
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I have used the same layout on the last 10 or so balls. It works for me. No need to try something that may not.
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I'll lean towards one layout on symmetricals and 2 different layouts on assymetricals. 5*65 and room for a hole on the symmetrical and either 50*5*65 or 70*5*30 on the assymetrical. I'm also thinking of switching up the 70*5*30 to just whatever ends up punching the MB out with my thumb and adjusting the pin from there.
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WRW pretty much keeps the same layout... We know what he's done in his career..
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My current "1 and 2" in the bag have the same pin distance from the PAP, but slightly different drill and val angles.
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No.1 yes.
No.2 I have 2 layouts for asymmetric, and 2 for symmetric balls. Mostly all pin up, due to my slower speed.
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For the last 2 years I have found myself relying on 2 main pin locations: pin under center of bridge and pin in ring finger hole. For pin under bridge, I have 2 main CG locations: directly under the pin and CG kicked out with a weight hole. That's 3 basic drillings.
I have, of course tried other drillings, but with rare exceptions I have not found others all that useful.
Since the vast majority of asymmetric cored balls are for heavier oils and I never see that much oil, I have only drilled symmetric cored balls recently, other than a few experiments.
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All good points, folks. Thanks for sharing.
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house bowler can get away with the same layouts on different balls
tournament bowler will want to have a variety of layouts
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I like to use same company but really havent dabbed into same layout. I tend to overthink layouts and sometimes gets me in trouble, especially pin under layouts. My new stuff im going to keep simple as i dont do many tourneys anymore, and they are mostly on THS or variation of THSs anyways. I like 4" stacked and 5"-5.5" with MB right with xhole.
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WRW pretty much keeps the same layout... We know what he's done in his career..
Bowled with WRW this past summer in Pro-Am. He has two layouts, pin under and pin over. Uses surface and hand adjustment for changes.
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I like to use layouts that are on my sweet spot. I do that to use the different covers and cores to fill my arsenal. If I want to try a new layout I will try to get advise from which ever ball company I am using. Ask questions you will get answers. Don't think pin down will work for you ask the company rep be prepared to give information about your personal game and the house you bowl in.
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I pretty much use only 2 layouts, let the differences in the ball be the change along with surface.
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I use pin above bridge on most of my equipment. I have a couple of short pin layouts I occasionally use for control on flatter patterns when I am trying to play out. I also often use axis holes on these layouts.
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I use essentially the same two layouts most of the time. The only exceptions are on extreme lane conditions. The determination is simply the amount of flare I need to get the ball to fill the gap I am looking to fill in the bag. Total differential is the main spec you are changing with different drillings because it alters the amount the ball flares. The amount of flare has an effect on the amount of the cover that sees the lane in any given shot.
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Hey guys. Good discussion. I'm a Newbie and would like some advice. Posting my specs here in hope to get a layout or two advices which would suite me the best.
Bowl Rt Handed on mostly low oil lanes, 38 to 40 feet. Flatter patterns, and some times with a lot of carry down. At other times, its dry like a bone.
Speed 14 mph off hand
Rev 200 or so
Tilt 7 to 8
Rotation 45 to 55
PAP 4 and 7/8 over, 1/4 up
Is there or are there any layout(s) which you guys think would work best for me.
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This is an interesting conversation. I use a lot of different layouts, mainly, just because I like a certain layout does not necessarily mean that layout will work on every ball. Case in point: I like the RICO layout on a lot of my equipment. However what I have found is, it works very well on symmetrical balls, but barely tames asymmetricals. I've found that a RICO drilling on an Inferno ball, solid or pearl absolutely kills the ball! It becomes a dud. I also like the very average, leveraged layout, but on some equipment it turns that ball into a skid-flip monster! I used to drill all my equipment with the high-pin, Tommy Jones layout, but put that drilling on an asymmetrical ball and I suddenly have to make drastic surface changes to tone it down. It's a matter of style, bowling ball knowledge, and conditions that one bowls on. On light oil conditions, I tend to use bar-bell drillings and high pin over middle finger drillings. Each drilling has it's use for me, in regards to the basic characteristics and personality of that ball. To each his own!