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notsohotshot

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Drilling for spinner
« on: November 29, 2007, 04:26:13 PM »
I need help!!I need to drill a ball for a team mate who throws a spinner.I have no experience or idea what to drill him or how to lay the ball out.  HELP I NEED suggestions from experienced drillers!!!
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dizzyfugu

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Re: Drilling for spinner
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2007, 02:36:51 AM »
For basic suggestions, check this out:

http://marketing.lanemasters.com/LM_Ball%20Drilling%20Instructions.pdf
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aabraham1209

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Re: Drilling for spinner
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2007, 11:17:09 AM »
I to am a low track guy. Most of my balls are drilled pin down for earlier roll. If I am looking to drill a ball for drier lanes would it be better to leave the pins in and just go with a less hooking coverstock or would that be a reason for a pin over the fingers drilling. Notsohotshot my overall best drilling is a stacked leverage with the pin down.
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Asura

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Re: Drilling for spinner
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2007, 04:48:47 AM »
Base from the look on the balls of my friends who throw a spinner release, the Pin and CG are in line towards the grip center with angle of 45 degree from the Grip center. The CG is within 0.5" of the Grip center.
Spinners in my area usually use 2" pin to CG distance. The span is fingertip style, without inserts, so he use a bit more bevel on the fingerholes.

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hope this helps!


Edited on 12/1/2007 5:49 AM

Edited on 12/1/2007 5:49 AM
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Sawuser

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Re: Drilling for spinner
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2007, 01:16:00 PM »
I missed this post by a few days, but will reply anyway.

I am a low tracker(not spinner), my PAP is 4 3/4 over, & I have found long pins work best for me. I have a light load particle pearl with the pin above the middle finger(5 3/4 pin to pap), & a very light load particle resin with the pin just below & left of middle finger. (6 1/4 pin to pap) These 2 balls are my all time favorite layouts, & I wish I had tried them much sooner.

May sound strange, but they work well for me!
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aabraham1209

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Re: Drilling for spinner
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2007, 04:25:25 PM »
Righty that is the exact opposite thing that I have been told. They all tell me to use short pins with pins under the fingers to help get the ball into a roll sooner. I have always wondered about longer pins and higher pins but with the cost of balls was afraid to try. Have thought that maybe a longer pin might be a way to go when the ball starts to hook to much. Stay with the same ball with a longer pin rather than go to a less hooking ball with a similar pin. Any thoughts?
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Sawuser

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Re: Drilling for spinner
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2007, 11:25:11 AM »
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Righty that is the exact opposite thing that I have been told. They all tell me to use short pins with pins under the fingers to help get the ball into a roll sooner. I have always wondered about longer pins and higher pins but with the cost of balls was afraid to try. Have thought that maybe a longer pin might be a way to go when the ball starts to hook to much. Stay with the same ball with a longer pin rather than go to a less hooking ball with a similar pin. Any thoughts?


I know it's the opposite, that's why I posted it. The only person ever to suggest doing this was Ricky Corona. He said with the longer pin & it being closer to the track would cause the ball to stand up earlier.
As for trying the same ball with a longer pin, I'm not sure. I usually switch to more or less aggressive ball.
In my opinion if you have an older long pin ball laying around, it may be worth plugging & drilling one to try it before doing it on a new ball.
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On edit, I know I will never go back to short pin balls! Another drill that may work for you is the Rico drill if done properly. I have 2 & like them both, but I'm still partial to the longer pins.

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Edited on 12/8/2007 12:27 PM
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sdbowler

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Re: Drilling for spinner
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2007, 03:12:25 PM »
I am a spinner and most of my stuff is drilled pin above fingers. I have a few that pin is not however. I prefer the ones with the pins above the fingers closer to the middle finger.
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novawagonmaster

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Re: Drilling for spinner
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2007, 03:27:04 PM »
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There are way too many ball drillers that are living in the past that need to be enlightened that todays game is a friction based game where some tilt and rotation creates recovery.

The 5+ inch PAPs are a thing of the past, as the football flip (coil, uncoil) release becomes more and more popular.

You don't need to rip out the finger inserts throwing the ball up the back to get your track a 1/2 inch from the finger holes anymore.  Urethane and the Urethane release is dead.
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Edited on 12/11/2007 3:58 PM


While I agree with the first sentence, I disagree with the rest. While I uderstand you do not need to rip the fingers out, an "up-the-back" release is still very effective with today's equipment. Ask that guy on TV...oh, what's his name???...Walter Ray something-or-other? The great thing about bowling is, there are a number of different ways (equipment, lines, releases, angles, etc) to achieve success. I understand bumper bowling, but I still prefer to work on accuracy instead over rev rate.
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Slick300

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Re: Drilling for spinner
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2007, 05:44:04 AM »
I spent some time with Mo pinel who was a notorious spinner and while doing a seminar he told me for the spinner and he also reiterates this in his drilling instructions put the pins 5 to 5 1/2 from the pap and the mass biases near or past the vertical axis line. I recently had a high sppeed spinner which we drilled two hooks for one with the pin nest to the middle finger and one next to and above the middle finger the second had a slight surface change to 1000 abralon with a little compound. The first layout gave him the most reaction he ever had and the second one went longer with a strong move at the back. He previosly gone to another pro shop with most layouts  pin above the ring.
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