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Title: scribes to lay out balls
Post by: flipback11 on February 17, 2007, 10:48:02 AM
how many pro shops still use scribes to lay out their balls? and why? is it more accurate than a grease pencil or
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Title: Re: scribes to lay out balls
Post by: Next Level PS on February 17, 2007, 07:44:52 PM
i think a scibe is 1/128 of an inch and a nicely sharpen pencil is around 1/64 . if a bowlers can feel a 64th then they have too much time on there hand.


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Edited on 2/17/2007 8:42 PM
Title: Re: scribes to lay out balls
Post by: Mvpbowler on February 17, 2007, 07:46:34 PM
I have always said a good bowler might be able to feel 1/64th, but they should be able to bowl just the same with that 1/64th!!! I would say even up to 1/32nd should be acceptable, once you get to 1/16th then you can cry
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Title: Re: scribes to lay out balls
Post by: Next Level PS on February 17, 2007, 08:12:38 PM
you would also be amazed at how many shop cant measure tilt and rotation
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Title: Re: scribes to lay out balls
Post by: BrunsMike on February 17, 2007, 08:44:25 PM
The shops that use scribes feel its more accurate on the drilling. Some people like that and they feel it gives them more of a proffesional feel to the ball. Ive had both done and have not felt any difference. I personally like the wax pencil as it dont leave the permanent marks.

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Title: Re: scribes to lay out balls
Post by: Brickguy221 on February 17, 2007, 11:47:31 PM
Being off 1/16" and up is totally unacceptable. If a ball is measured and marked correctly, what is so hard about getting the hole right? My driller is never off even 1/32".
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Title: Re: scribes to lay out balls
Post by: Traumatize on February 17, 2007, 11:55:56 PM
I agree with Brick.  A professional driller should never ever miss drill a hole with pencil/scribe marks.  The only error that could come with drilling is mismarking the grip.  I personally never drill off of a sheet of paper.  I always use another ball as reference before drawing lines on a new ball.  I think a scribe is a little more accurate, because you can clearly see where your hole is in relation to the scribe mark when drilling the pilot hole.
Title: Re: scribes to lay out balls
Post by: khforest on February 17, 2007, 11:58:40 PM
Heres a good one - I went to a new proshop to see how they were and I had them match a ball.. The pro (a pba regional guy) asked me numerous questions about the pitches in my ball...  Well he decided that they were wrong and changed them all from forward 1/8 to reverse 1/8 (I think I am right - forward away from the center of grip and reverse into the span...well you can figure it out and maybe educate me)...  Well needless to say, I can't get out of the ball and now the span feels too long on the middle finger... So much for trying something new...

Oh and I know it is off topic, but I thought it might fit...

Edited on 2/18/2007 0:56 AM
Title: Re: scribes to lay out balls
Post by: leftehh- LG on February 18, 2007, 12:09:38 AM
quote:
Heres a good one - I went to a new proshop to see how they were and I had them match a ball.. The pro (a pba regional guy) asked me numerous questions about the pitches in my ball...  Well he decided that they were wrong and changed them all from forward 1/8 to reverse 1/8 (I think I am right - forward away from the center of grip and reverse into the span...well you can figure it out and maybe educate me)...  Well needless to say, I can't get out of the ball and now the span feels too long on the middle finger... So much for trying something new...

Oh and I know it is off topic, but I thought it might fit...

Edited on 2/18/2007 0:56 AM


no, forward is into the grip and reverse is away.
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Title: Re: scribes to lay out balls
Post by: Brickguy221 on February 18, 2007, 12:12:23 AM
quote:
(I think I am right - forward away from the center of grip and reverse into the span...


Forward pitch is towards grip center.
Reverse is away from grip center.
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Title: Re: scribes to lay out balls
Post by: BeansProShop on February 18, 2007, 07:00:02 AM
NextLevelPS,
I couldn't agree more on everything you state except the scribe thing.  A dull grease pencil is about 1/8" thick. If you cut one side instead of the other you are 1/8th off. A scribe is so much more accurate. The thing is you don't have to carve up the ball with lines to use the scribe for measuring purposes. I always use a scribe for the better players and I use pencils for the rest. I always ask though because some people are not to accepting to "scratching their new ball"  LOL!!   Beans
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Title: Re: scribes to lay out balls
Post by: Re-Evolution on February 18, 2007, 05:37:34 PM
Grease pencil for all marks except the actual span lines which are done with a scribe. The span cut lines are the only ones that require the extra accuracy.
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Title: Re: scribes to lay out balls
Post by: charlest on February 18, 2007, 06:35:58 PM
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Using a scribe is OK if you keep marks to a minimum.   A CL running half way around the ball is totally unnecessary.   Same with finger and thumb scribes being 3" long in every direction.   In actuality, you can use a scribe so lightly as to sand and polish them off if really necessary.

Hint, a lead pencil will work if you take some 2000 or so and dull the area to mark.   Shines back up easy.


I've seen a driller make scribe marks almost as deep as the serial numbers on a Brunswick ball.
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Title: Re: scribes to lay out balls
Post by: Next Level PS on February 18, 2007, 09:03:20 PM
Charlest is that the driller from midstate lanes.
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Title: Re: scribes to lay out balls
Post by: charlest on February 18, 2007, 09:47:10 PM
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Charlest is that the driller from midstate lanes.
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Nope.

I bought a used ball once whose scribe lines were that deep. The guy who sold it to me siad he wouldn't go to any driller who didn't use scribes. I thought he and his driller were bad juju for different reasons.
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Title: Re: scribes to lay out balls
Post by: flipback11 on February 19, 2007, 12:19:54 AM
thanks guys there are not any proshops around me that uses a scribe but i see a few balls once in a while so i thought id ask. but thanks for all the replies and i do areee that alot of ppl would not lke lines engreved in thier ball. even if it dosent affect the proformence.
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Title: Re: scribes to lay out balls
Post by: shipper50 on February 19, 2007, 09:35:56 AM
You can erase a grease pencil, try doing that with a scribe. They are UGLY...

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