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bowler851

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Scribing vs. Yellow pencil
« on: September 23, 2015, 02:38:43 PM »
Why do certain pro shops scribe the ball and leave permanent marks instead of just using yellow pencil. Just had an internet company drill a couple balls for me and was disappointed with this. 
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Re: Scribing vs. Yellow pencil
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2015, 09:38:23 AM »
What a fascinating topic. All of us looking to bowl better, reaching for knowledge and that extra edge. But... Have you ever noticed how many posts are all about "pretty" balls, and "smells good", then something comes up that actually improves drilling accuracy and people complain? You humans are a strange species to be sure.... I got my first scribed ball when I ordered from Buddies, and EVERY ball has been spot on perfect, all scribed, which by the way proves how they marked it and how close they were on drilling. Truly, this is a badge of honor now and my equipment wears it proudly.
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Re: Scribing vs. Yellow pencil
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2015, 09:58:48 AM »
Quote from: lefty50 on September 24, 2015, 09:38:23 AM
What a fascinating topic. All of us looking to bowl better, reaching for knowledge and that extra edge. But... Have you ever noticed how many posts are all about "pretty" balls, and "smells good", then something comes up that actually improves drilling accuracy and people complain? You humans are a strange species to be sure.... I got my first scribed ball when I ordered from Buddies, and EVERY ball has been spot on perfect, all scribed, which by the way proves how they marked it and how close they were on drilling. Truly, this is a badge of honor now and my equipment wears it proudly.

I agree 100%
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Re: Scribing vs. Yellow pencil
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2015, 11:08:34 AM »
Improves drilling accuracy would be incorrect. It has no bearing on accuracy.
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Re: Scribing vs. Yellow pencil
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2015, 11:20:56 AM »
Quote from: kidlost2000 on September 24, 2015, 11:08:34 AM
Improves drilling accuracy would be incorrect. It has no bearing on accuracy.
Agree 100%.  Accuracy is dependent on the person doing the drilling, not the lines on the ball.
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Re: Scribing vs. Yellow pencil
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2015, 11:29:29 AM »
I'm all for aim small miss small. It's more to it then that no matter how you mark the ball.
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Re: Scribing vs. Yellow pencil
« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2015, 11:31:52 AM »
I agree that hitting the lines (scribed or pencil) is paramount.  My driller once apologized that he missed my span by about a 1/16".  I didn't sue him for malpractice or anything...   It's a bowling ball that travels 60 feet, not sending a man to the moon.  ;)
It's not like I have "board splitting" accuracy... 
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bowler851

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Re: Scribing vs. Yellow pencil
« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2015, 11:39:44 AM »
My main issue they should of asked me if it was OK to scribe the ball, because I'm not sure how wide spread scribing is, but I've never seen a scribed ball and I'm 44yo. As a company u should give the customer the option.
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Re: Scribing vs. Yellow pencil
« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2015, 11:54:21 AM »

When someone uses a scribe it's because they feel it helps them to drill your ball better.  I'd not worry, and be glad they care.
As was mentioned earlier you could also request that they not use the scribe in the future if it is a concern.

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Re: Scribing vs. Yellow pencil
« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2015, 12:05:05 PM »
There is no excuse for a span being 1/16 off. As long as the driller hits the line, then when using a grease pencil, it is more possible for the span to be 1/16 off than it is when using a scribe
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Re: Scribing vs. Yellow pencil
« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2015, 12:10:52 PM »
I agree with Brick. Kid and I will disagree, as always, but I still think that a scribed line, thinner and embedded, is more accurate.
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Re: Scribing vs. Yellow pencil
« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2015, 12:22:50 PM »
Quote from: Brickguy221 on September 24, 2015, 12:05:05 PM
There is no excuse for a span being 1/16 off. As long as the driller hits the line, then when using a grease pencil, it is more possible for the span to be 1/16 off than it is when using a scribe

Having drilled balls over the years I know that it's possible to miss slightly because you THINK the bit is aligned, but when it actually starts drilling it is slightly different.  Go get a tape measure and remind yourself just how small 1/16" really is.  I know that there are those who think they can feel that difference on their hand, but I will always question that.
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Re: Scribing vs. Yellow pencil
« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2015, 02:03:15 PM »
Quote from: lefty50 on September 24, 2015, 12:10:52 PM
I agree with Brick. Kid and I will disagree, as always, but I still think that a scribed line, thinner and embedded, is more accurate.

Definitely more accurate when scribed. Every ball I have ever had drilled was always accurate with a scribe line. With a grease pencil, some were pretty accurate and some not so accurate.
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Re: Scribing vs. Yellow pencil
« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2015, 02:07:02 PM »
You are all missing the point, it should be customers choice, not pro shop. Have had over a hundred balls drilled zero scribed and no accuracy issues.
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Re: Scribing vs. Yellow pencil
« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2015, 02:17:06 PM »
Quote from: notclay on September 24, 2015, 12:22:50 PM
Quote from: Brickguy221 on September 24, 2015, 12:05:05 PM
There is no excuse for a span being 1/16 off. As long as the driller hits the line, then when using a grease pencil, it is more possible for the span to be 1/16 off than it is when using a scribe

Having drilled balls over the years I know that it's possible to miss slightly because you THINK the bit is aligned, but when it actually starts drilling it is slightly different.  Go get a tape measure and remind yourself just how small 1/16" really is.  I know that there are those who think they can feel that difference on their hand, but I will always question that.


Lane, I am one of those that can feel 1/16 off. In fact I can feel 1/32 off. You can blindfold me and I can still feel 1/16 off. Ditto on pitches being 1/16 off.

I am of opinion that a person with stiffer hands/joints will be more sensitive to feel 1/16 off and etc than a person with a limber and flexable hand. A more limber/flexable hand will stretch more, so if a ball span is 1/16 long, the limber/flexable hand will not notice it a much a a stiffer hand/fingers will.

Also the 1/16 off is more noticeable if it is only one finger. Noticeable but not as much if 1/16 off on both fingers.

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Re: Scribing vs. Yellow pencil
« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2015, 02:18:40 PM »
Quote from: bowler851 on September 24, 2015, 02:07:02 PM
You are all missing the point, it should be customers choice, not pro shop. Have had over a hundred balls drilled zero scribed and no accuracy issues.

That you know of. 

What I have seen is if the line is there for the customer to see after it is drilled the ball driller will go the extra mile to make sure that the dimensions are accurate and that they do hit it.  That is almost like an advertisement to the accuracy of the ball driller, as long as the scribed line is in the correct location.

Don't get me wrong.  If you don't want the scribed line then you MUST say something up front.  Once the lines are in the ball it is yours if you do not tell the ball driller first.  It will not offend the operator if you don't want the scribed lines.
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