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BiGtYmEr300

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Shorter Pins...
« on: June 09, 2013, 06:23:57 PM »
I'm gonna start experimenting with some different layouts this summer and I am mainly looking at using shorter pins; meaning 1 - 2.5 inches from my PAP. Can anyone give me any general guidance as to what I should expect from using these types of pin distances. Also, if i'm using dual angle, what kinds of VAL and Drilling angles should I use with short pins? My ball speed is generally around 18mph and I have a 500-525 rev rate. I wouldn't call myself a cranker though because I have a really low track. Thanks in advance guys.

 

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Re: Shorter Pins...
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2013, 08:47:13 AM »
Being a lower track high rev player, you may want to get the rest of your stats like axis tilt and rotation. Its allows someone to give you a more accurate dual angle number and ratio. Once you have that info, it will be a lot easier to give you a dual angle measurement.

With that said, especially in a symmetrical ball, if I were drilling for you and knowing your rev rate and speed, I would do something like a 120 total and do something like a 70x2.5"x50 or an 80x2"x40. This allow the ball to get started and roll heavy. Depending on pin-cg, you will probably need a hole. I would also do something like 360, rough buff to the surface and maybe add polish to help the ball down the lane.

The big issue with shorter pins is the ball has the tendency to puke on the back but with your speed I doubt that. just make sure you get the rest of your stats. 
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Re: Shorter Pins...
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2013, 01:59:55 PM »
So, in general, does using shorter pins tend to create earlier, heavier types of roll?

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« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2013, 07:03:14 PM »
shorter pins tend to do that yes because it lays the core down and makes it quicker to stabilize. just from my short experience of drilling, with your speed and rev rate, a low tilt bowler can make the ball with that short of pin to pap puke before the arrows. this is why I said get the rest of your stats. there's a bit more that goes into it than to just get a speed and rev rate and come up with numbers or pin placement.
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Re: Shorter Pins...
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2013, 07:27:06 PM »
It depends on what type of ball you're drilling. An asymmetric tends to retain tilt longer with shorter pins. Symmetrical balls, by nature, tend to burn off axis tilt sooner. It also depends on the angles you use and, of course, surface prep!
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Re: Shorter Pins...
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2013, 08:17:57 PM »
very good points Tommy.
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Re: Shorter Pins...
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2013, 10:02:32 PM »
Thanks fellas. James, are axis tilt and rotation the only other stats I need to come up with or is there something else? I'm gonna be at my pro shop Wednesday and i'll see if my driller knows or can help me find out my stats.

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Re: Shorter Pins...
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2013, 07:48:25 AM »
nothing more really. with that you can check the wiki at bowlingchat.net and discover your ratio and benchmark numbers. from there you would be able to select a ball that fits what you are trying to do and a surface that best fits the lanes.
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Re: Shorter Pins...
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2013, 09:35:20 AM »
I've always liked this layout on more aggressive balls. A couple I've had like that (Haven't had them for a while lol) are

Ebonite Predator
Track Money
AMF TNT
The Money was drilled with the pin 1 inch from pap, and the others were 2.5 inches from pap. Great house shot wet dry balls, because they blended the pattern much more. I could pitch the Money right into the dirt and it never jumped. If you're still using 900/AMF, I would look into doing this with something like a Sure Thing. When used for their intended purpose, it's just as useful as a Rico drill.