Post by: splendorlex on April 17, 2006, 07:32:04 AM
Post by: JohnP on April 17, 2006, 03:54:40 PM
Post by: Ragnar on April 17, 2006, 04:17:34 PM
1) doesn't bleed
2) doesn't hurt
3) allows you a clean release
it's probably ok --- for now. In my case i've been changing pitches and spans for over 3 years now, trying to find the best fit and I'm still not at what I want. 1 and 2 are OK, but I'm not sure about 3 (of the above). Eventually I'll stop somewhere and stay with that a while, but I think that time, weight (body), and a lot of factors come into play, all affecting what feels right and allows me to throw it the way i want to.
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Post by: Pinbuster on April 17, 2006, 04:17:38 PM
Having the bowler throw the fitting ball with the span and pitches is the only way to see how they react to fit, how it comes off their hand and for them to feel the fit.
Post by: splendorlex on April 17, 2006, 05:36:33 PM
Post by: chitown on April 17, 2006, 10:46:32 PM
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Well Rags, I have 1 and 2 down as well, since there is no longer any bleeding or pain. However, I do feel like I can't get a clean release no matter what I use in the thumb hole, be it magic carpet, tape of the back of the thumb, or anything else I've tried. My thumb hole is actually a bit larger than it has to be as well, and I still can't get my thumb out cleanly, and the back of my thumb at the base of the nail takes a beating, turning a purplish red color and swelling a little.
You need more reverse in your thumb. If the back of the nail is hurting then it's obvious your thumb pitch is off or your span is too long.
Post by: splendorlex on April 18, 2006, 07:51:32 AM
Post by: LuckyLefty on April 18, 2006, 10:15:49 AM
Based on your new stats you gave us....3/16 is plenty and maybe even a move to 1/16 or 1/8 with proper front bevel methods could get you what you want.
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS to find the normal fitting techniques and tests used by many fitters to get spans...pitches etc...see this....
reference section (http://"http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=74110&ForumID=16&CategoryID=5")
Also see this...a great reference
Bill Taylor's drilling and fitting (http://"http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=122457&ForumID=18&CategoryID=5")
All the tests to do a good fit. Plus I've written on the bernier method in drilling and fitting about 60 to 90 days ago.
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Edited on 4/18/2006 10:35 AM
Post by: splendorlex on April 18, 2006, 10:28:08 AM
Post by: 802dave on April 18, 2006, 11:51:35 AM
You may need to pay close attention to the shape of the thumbhole. If mine is not shaped just like I like it, I stick in the hole - I think it's due to too much vacuum. I have my own bowler's rasp and bevel knife.
I have my driller get the thumbhole pretty close - correct oval shape and angle of the oval. I like the hole slightly "cone" shaped in that the further you insert your thumb, the tighter the hole gets.
I then fine-tune the fit to my preference with my rasp, scotchbrite and bevel knife. I open the oval slightly on the sides until the vacuum is minimal - while keeping the "cone" shape (top to bottom) in mind.
I then tape front to back till I get a snug fit.
The hole is snug, comfortable, and without a lot of vacuum as the thumb exits. If I don't do this, my thumb can feel good just sliding in and out of the hole, but will hang when I try to release the ball due to excessive vacuum.
Dave
Post by: JohnP on April 18, 2006, 03:40:24 PM
Post by: chitown on April 19, 2006, 12:05:58 AM
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splendorlex -- I'll repeat my advice from a different thread on this same subject. Try 1/4 reverse and use a large (1 3/8") slug so if you don't like the 1/4 you can try 1/8 or 3/8. My spans are 4 11/16 and I use 1/2 reverse, 1/4 left. My thumb is fairly inflexible, and I don't hang or drop the ball. Finger pitches are MF - 3/8 reverse and RF - 5/8 reverse. Works for me, so don't be afraid to experiment. -- JohnP
John is right. Don't be afraid to experiment. When it comes to bowling a good fit is a must. I thought I had my grip figured out at the start of this season. Now i'm in the process of getting somethings changed. It took almost a whole season to find out that my grip is wrong.
Just try a couple of things until your problem is gone. That's what i'm doing.
Post by: curtcrank on April 22, 2006, 10:02:34 PM
quote:Interesting, I've been trying to figure out how to do a cone. I'm at 5/16 rev. in my thumb - should be at 1/16, but 5/16 is the minimum that I can get out of clean. I also can't get enough tape in at that pitch either. I've found recently that if I put the tape in the bottom of the front of the hole I get a good fit that way also. Anyone know if its possible to drill a cone with an oval-matic? Curt
I have 1/4" reverse in my thumbhole. You may need to pay close attention to the shape of the thumbhole. If mine is not shaped just like I like it, I stick in the hole - I think it's due to too much vacuum. I have my own bowler's rasp and bevel knife. I have my driller get the thumbhole pretty close - correct oval shape and angle of the oval. I like the hole slightly "cone" shaped in that the further you insert your thumb, the tighter the hole gets. I then fine-tune the fit to my preference with my rasp, scotchbrite and bevel knife. I open the oval slightly on the sides until the vacuum is minimal - while keeping the "cone" shape (top to bottom) in mind. I then tape front to back till I get a snug fit. The hole is snug, comfortable, and without a lot of vacuum as the thumb exits. If I don't do this, my thumb can feel good just sliding in and out of the hole, but will hang when I try to release the ball due to excessive vacuum. Dave
Post by: ebwkidvicious on May 07, 2006, 10:45:39 PM
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Post by: splendorlex on May 08, 2006, 07:43:36 AM
I went to 1/4 reverse in my Doom, and I'm certainly coming out of the ball MUCH better than before, and not dropping it at all like I was worried. I may actually try to go a little further, to 5/16 or so. So far so good!
Post by: LuckyLefty on May 08, 2006, 07:05:22 PM
Are you getting more revs?
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: splendorlex on May 09, 2006, 08:27:37 AM
Post by: chitown on May 11, 2006, 12:32:53 AM
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I am getting more revs, and my average is up 26 pins right now. (I ended fall leagues at 165 and after two weeks in summer I am at 191. Whether I can maintain that or not is another question!)
Are you only using the Doom for the summer?
Post by: splendorlex on May 11, 2006, 08:34:04 AM
