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TheDude

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So now i know that Asymetrical cores are bad for me.
« on: December 11, 2003, 03:19:55 AM »
I have finally realized, that asymetrical cores are bad for sport shots. I was playing on a heavily oiled sport condition,43ft and i have had terrible time with a controlable ball layout. for me any ball that is asymetrical is not stable enough at all on sport shots. and most of the strong heavier oiled balls are too un predictable.

I need to drill some stablity in an asymetrical ball. i was also considering drilling a strong symetrical ball with a strong coverstock.

I have seen the new dynothane ball, and it interests me. but i have a throttle sitting around, and it's got very low games. i also have a very new apex adrenaline. And a Brand new Visionary Gryphon particle. i was thinking of placing my pin on pap or very close to it. i would like to maybe try finding an aggressive ball with a short pin, and drill the ball 2x2.

My pap is 4 1/2 my rpm rate is 350 and my speed is 26-28 kmph my axis of rotation is variable. and i am not an exceptionally high track player. i think that's also part of my problem from seeing insufficent roll in the oil or control on the end of the pattern.


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Re: So now i know that Asymetrical cores are bad for me.
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2003, 06:29:48 PM »
I don't know about stable enough on a shot, but they sure like to shake the heck out of the table my spinner sits on!
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Re: So now i know that Asymetrical cores are bad for me.
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2003, 07:58:52 PM »
Dude,

Are you sure you tested enough drillings (Morich does have control AND early roll drillings for each of their balls.) and enough surface changes for you to feel this way about all asymmetric cored balls?

(Note: I am not saying you're wrong; only, are you sure for yourself?
Hate to see anyone lock himself out of options.)

I have a flip drilling on my Hercules, a Morich asymmetric ball, and surface changes have not made it usable for me. I practiced with A_P_K and watched him throw his Hercules WITH A CONTROL DRILLING, and it worked great. I am now having mine redrilled as a control ball, with Morich's suggested drilling. If it's half way close to A_P_K's, I'll be thrilled.
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Re: So now i know that Asymetrical cores are bad for me.
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2003, 10:50:09 PM »
Well charlest your right on this one, i'll agree with you. But i did use a lot of balls with asymetrical cores, and did a lot of cover changes. but none seemed to work. my friend is in the process of reviewing a new Morich mayhem. with a 4 x 3 1/2 layout if i remember correctly.

You mentioned that morich had control drillings but, i have had alot of trouble with other company's asymetricals on the sport shots. they are great for house shots, play with the cover and place my favorite drilling and i can have fun time scoring. but for the sport shot, it's been a grind out.

I have until about april to get this ball ready, but i'd like to get myself set up now because i have the oppertunity to practice on it now. now we have gone to a short 34ft sport pattern and balls actually finish and hook now, so it's just getting the ball to roll to the pocket that's the issuse lol not more hook.


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Re: So now i know that Asymetrical cores are bad for me.
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2003, 10:21:17 AM »
If you want control and power, with an array of drilling possibilities, get a Lane 1 Buzzsaw..!! The Golden Nugget is probably the best one out right now for sport conditions. =:^D
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Re: So now i know that Asymetrical cores are bad for me.
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2003, 04:23:45 PM »
lol ,please i don't want to buy another ball. lol i need a control layout for an asymetrical ball on sport shots.
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Re: So now i know that Asymetrical cores are bad for me.
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2003, 05:13:02 PM »
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lol ,please i don't want to buy another ball. lol i need a control layout for an asymetrical ball on sport shots.


Try drillings that have pins inverted from your favorites.  For example, if you like a 4 1/2 pin to PAP on normal house shots then try a 2 1/4 pin to PAP.  (Keep the same mass bias placements.)  

The used differential is the same... 4 1/2 - 3 3/8 = 3 3/8 - 2 1/4 ...so the flare should be the same.  The difference is that the lower pin will use lower RG for more roll & control.

This won't work for everyone--high trackers will thump the fingerholes.  But your track is low enough not to worry about it.
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Re: So now i know that Asymetrical cores are bad for me.
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2003, 06:08:01 PM »
Thank you very much constantine, i'll try that, and see the results shortly.

I'd much rather ask you or T-god, lol than ask a ball manufacteur, and have to form a question about there equipment. i would get people telling me to drill a dozen different balls, then.
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Re: So now i know that Asymetrical cores are bad for me.
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2003, 08:57:10 AM »
I too thought that asymetrical balls wouldn't work well on sport shots.  In fact, I didn't like asymetrical balls because of the lack of control.  However, this was before they were being marked by the Determinator.  Currently, my favorite ball on a sport shot is a Phenom.  It has a 5.75" pin to PAP with the MB on the VAL.  The  weaker pin prevents too much flare and early burn and MB placement causes the ball to lose axis rotation quicker and reads the lane very well.  If you want to tame the reaction more, then put it below the VAL.  The pin also should be below the fingers as this shortens the core and weakens it some.  This is not a problem with your lower track.  This layout for me has proven very versatile because it's not overly jumpy off the patern and is very responsive to hand changes.
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Re: So now i know that Asymetrical cores are bad for me.
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2003, 02:15:50 PM »
Thanks Ant, i'll try that out too.
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Re: So now i know that Asymetrical cores are bad for me.
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2003, 12:31:53 AM »
OK an update, i got a new throttle, and i decided to consult a friend and i came upon a heavy rolling drill with controlable break point and smooth backend.

went with 3X5 Pin and cg was 3 1/2 inches a topweight of 3 1/4 oz. My pap is 4 1/2 over and zero up or down. the Cg ended up about 3/8 of an inch on the negative side of my midline and about 3/8 below my centerline.

Ball rolls as soon as it hits the lane and has alot of midlane roll and lays off on the backend. Being particle it's heavy roll in the oil is great and reads the end of the pattern smoothly. but as soon as the ball hits the dry the ball burns out in feet lol. But this reaction is totally what i was looking for and it's hopefully going to be the ticket.

So far this ball hasn't been great for most of the people( about 80%)  i've seen throw it. Usually polishing it or using it in conditions where there isn't enough oil. The ball seems to be a success for me.

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