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strikeking

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Some thoughts about drilling
« on: January 23, 2006, 06:50:34 AM »
From MANY years of experimenting and drilling some things to consider.
Most bowlers do not have the proper fit in their ball.Try this:  Drill and fit the the thumb first. Layout the grip line and place the hand on the ball with the thumb in the hole. Mark the inside and outside of the first joint of the middle and ring fingers as they lay on each side of the center line. You will find that the ring finger is about 1/8" SHORTER than the middle finger. Why do most drillers make the ring finger LONGER than the middle finger? Because that's the way a "conventional" grip is drilled when you use the "second finger joint for measurement. The most comfortable span is actually 1/8" shorter than the measurementd you have marked on the ball. Here's something else interesting. Robert Strickland came up with a method of drilling that places the ball more balanced in relation to your hand and wrist. He uses 3 center lines instead of single line. It really does give a smoother , cleaner release. The thumb is drilled so that the right edge of the hole is touching the center grip line. The middle finger is drilled on a center line that runs through the center of the thumb and center of the middle finger. The ring finger is drilled on a line that runs through the center of the thumb and ring finger. All pitches and bridge spaceing remain as normal. I've had many bowlers tell me "this is the only grip" they will use.
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Re: Some thoughts about drilling
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2006, 05:28:46 PM »
StrikeKing,
Just wanted to let you know thatI experimented today and laid out a new Solution Plus using this method.  Fantastic is all I can say.  I have been fighting getting around the ball forever.  Well, not any more.  Wish I had know about it sooner.  Thanks for posting it.

My driller pretty much disagreed with me doing it that way but he went ahead and punched it the way I had it laid out.  He thought I would be hanging in the ball but he was dead wrong.  Haven't cleared the thumb so easy before.  All my equipment will be drilled like this from now on.
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strikeking

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Re: Some thoughts about drilling
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2006, 09:08:44 PM »
Glad to be of help. Not surprising that driller was skeptical. Many have changed their mind after trying this. This is especially beneficial to someone having tendon problems.
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Re: Some thoughts about drilling
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2006, 09:11:41 PM »
We this drilling at times in the shop. I dont agree that all drillers place the ring longer than the Middle. i think its a fact, well in my shop, that the ring finger is longer because their ring finger is actually longer. Most people we see have "drop" spans, where teh middle is slightly shorter, or they are even.
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Re: Some thoughts about drilling
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2006, 09:25:41 PM »
strikeking, I have problems getting around the ball enough. Does this really help that problem as Bowler-BK said it helped him?

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Re: Some thoughts about drilling
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2006, 11:35:51 AM »
Brick,

Bring the ball to my shop and I'll duplicate the grip using a traditional method. There is only one triangle in space with your span measurements, the rest is just copying pitch.

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Speedburner89

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Re: Some thoughts about drilling
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2006, 12:04:03 PM »
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Most bowlers do not have the proper fit in their ball


you can say that again, i know my fit is all screwy, i know little about drillings/layouts, and spans and such, but even i know i need to soon switch to equipment with a slightly shorter span and less lateral pitch, not to mention a tighter thumb hole to stop gripping the dang thing, and larger finger grips (my fingers don't even go into the first joint)
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LuckyLefty

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Re: Some thoughts about drilling
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2006, 12:29:15 PM »
Three parallel lines?

Or the usual center grip line with thumb next to traditional center grip line?
Then two lines at angles drilled thru the fingers.

Also are the pitches entered along these new lines the old ones?
Are the spans along these lines used the same ones as before?

SO...if I understand it right...Thumb offset to under middle finger?
Spans retained the same but up different lines?  Pitches entered for thumb are same as before?  Pitches entered for fingers same as before but entered with the ball oriented along each of these intersecting two other lines(instead of standard eenter line? as one drills the middle finger...and then ring?

Correct?

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Re: Some thoughts about drilling
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2006, 08:58:34 PM »
So the "new" grip looks something like this?

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Isn't there only one way to measure pitches on a spherical object and that's through the centerline of the grip (center of bridge through center of thumb).  This sounds like a version of the offset thumb drill.  If you measure the pitches correctly this same drilling can be done without the 3 centerlines.
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Speedburner89

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Re: Some thoughts about drilling
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2006, 09:09:07 PM »
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So the "new" grip looks something like this?

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Isn't there only one way to measure pitches on a spherical object and that's through the centerline of the grip (center of bridge through center of thumb).


yes, it makes perfect sense too, the physics of your hand doesn't let your thumb swing over that far, don't believe me, hold your hand in front of your face with the palm facing it and try to position your thumb so it end ups comfortable between your ring and middle fingers, chances are it won't work
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Re: Some thoughts about drilling
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2006, 10:06:20 PM »
can someone post a picture of this:
I have an idea, but need a picture to get the full effect.
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ws6boi

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Re: Some thoughts about drilling
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2006, 10:36:26 PM »
Ok so in all reality if your saying place your thumb under your middle finger and use the same spans as before pretty much equates into lengthing your ring finger span because the ball is spherical. What your alking about I believe is called a "cohllier" (sp) grip, and it is basically the same as lengthing your ring finger. I know at our shop we can not drill balls like this because in order to do hat the table ould have to move after you have drilled the fingers, so instead of moving he ball your moving the able its sitting on, this is if my understanding of what your trying to is correct.
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ballboy

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Re: Some thoughts about drilling
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2006, 08:52:39 AM »
While the theory looks OK when you look at your palm, there is still only one  way to drill the correct spans on a sphere.  The only things you can change, keeping the spans correct, are the pitches.  The quoted drilling will actually only alter your pitches if you keep the spans the same.  Anything else is impossible.
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Re: Some thoughts about drilling
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2006, 01:07:44 PM »
Ballboy, you're on target..  no matter what you call the grip or how many lines you use to create it... there is only one triangle in space with that span. When you're done.. wipe off all those fancy lines and take it to a reputable pro shop. They will be able to measure the hole sizes, span, and pitches, and copy the grip.
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Re: Some thoughts about drilling
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2006, 11:38:19 PM »
I would think that this would put ones hand flat on the ball, which in turn would contribute to accuracy and turn.  I would also think that this would be SO comfortable.  I am tempted to get a cheap ball and try it out, what can it hurt right?
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