Author Topic: Some thoughts about drilling (Read 5743 times)

strikeking · « **on:** January 23, 2006, 06:50:34 AM »

From MANY years of experimenting and drilling some things to consider.
Most bowlers do not have the proper fit in their ball.Try this: Drill and fit the the thumb first. Layout the grip line and place the hand on the ball with the thumb in the hole. Mark the inside and outside of the first joint of the middle and ring fingers as they lay on each side of the center line. You will find that the ring finger is about 1/8" SHORTER than the middle finger. Why do most drillers make the ring finger LONGER than the middle finger? Because that's the way a "conventional" grip is drilled when you use the "second finger joint for measurement. The most comfortable span is actually 1/8" shorter than the measurementd you have marked on the ball. Here's something else interesting. Robert Strickland came up with a method of drilling that places the ball more balanced in relation to your hand and wrist. He uses 3 center lines instead of single line. It really does give a smoother , cleaner release. The thumb is drilled so that the right edge of the hole is touching the center grip line. The middle finger is drilled on a center line that runs through the center of the thumb and center of the middle finger. The ring finger is drilled on a line that runs through the center of the thumb and ring finger. All pitches and bridge spaceing remain as normal. I've had many bowlers tell me "this is the only grip" they will use.

TECH SUPPORT · « **Reply #16 on:** February 07, 2006, 06:45:47 AM »

I had pictures of what I think he was talking about, more less it is a CLT grip. Center line transefer, nothing new really and it has been around for a few years. I sent the pictures to a few people on here at one time in a .pdf format but I will have to go back and look on another harddrive I was useing. Here is a little more info on the lay out. http://www.bowlingthismonth.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=140&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=fbb0b8fe109d1819af3251cfa4dd7cfb
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Bowler19 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 07, 2006, 07:06:52 AM »

I switched this summer to a shorter grip
Edge of hole halfway between first and second joint.
This was approx. 1/4 inches shorter than my conventional grip.
This has helped me with my tendons and my fingers breaking open.
I have been carrying a lot better aswell.
It gave me more control over the balls rotation.(ie/ forward-side, high rev to low rev)

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JohnP · « **Reply #18 on:** February 07, 2006, 10:24:00 AM »

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I am tempted to get a cheap ball and try it out, what can it hurt right?

An even less expensive way -- get out one of your old balls you don't use any longer. Take it to your driller and ask him to drill the layout in an area of the ball without any holes, don't use grips or a slug. Don't worry about static weights since you're only going to use this to try the grip and not in competition. It would be nice if he could lay it out so it doesn't roll over any existing holes. His charge should be minimum, I would do it for free if there was a good chance of a ball purchase resulting. -- JohnP

strikeking · « **Reply #19 on:** February 07, 2006, 11:32:11 AM »

Some of you have it basically right. Just remember the Middle finger is drilled as normal using the grip center line. The thumb is then drilled off of a center line that goes through the middle finger and is set to the side of the original center line. The ring finger is drilled on a center line that goes through the center of the thumb. All pitches are from the respective center lines of the particular hole you are drilling. Not from the original center line. This will put the center line of the ball in line with the center of your hand and arm. This grip was developed by Robert Strickland and he published a book on it. You might try your local library. The reason most drillers do not like to use this layout is you must re-set the ball before you drill each hole.
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chitown · « **Reply #20 on:** February 08, 2006, 10:15:16 PM »

This sounds like a CLT layout. My ring finger on my layouts is longer then the middle finger. This is what off sets the thumb. It all depends how you look at it. You don't need to use 3 different center lines. It all comes down to the ring finger being longer than the middle.

This is an CLT or off set thumb layout. This is what I use and it feels awesome on the hand. In fact with this layout I can get more of my palm on the ball. This is a lot better than your standard T grip layout.

chitown · « **Reply #21 on:** February 08, 2006, 10:21:45 PM »

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Some of you have it basically right. Just remember the Middle finger is drilled as normal using the grip center line. The thumb is then drilled off of a center line that goes through the middle finger and is set to the side of the original center line. The ring finger is drilled on a center line that goes through the center of the thumb. All pitches are from the respective center lines of the particular hole you are drilling. Not from the original center line. This will put the center line of the ball in line with the center of your hand and arm. This grip was developed by Robert Strickland and he published a book on it. You might try your local library. The reason most drillers do not like to use this layout is you must re-set the ball before you drill each hole.
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What ever way you want to measure it all that is going on with this layout is the ring finger is longer than the middle. I have this same layout on my ball. The thumb looks off set. In reality if you measure this layout after drilling and measure it off of a line going in between the fingers thru the middle of the thumb what do you think you will find? You will find the middle finger longer than the ring. That is all this is.

hskrntx · « **Reply #22 on:** February 09, 2006, 07:54:15 AM »

All the way back to the original post - not everyone's ring finger span is drilled longer than their middle finger span, and vice-versa, not everyone should have their ring finger span shorter than thier middle finger span! It all depends on the makeup of their individual hand!

A good driller will drill the ball based on the measurements of each person's hand, and not on some "standard" way of doing it! If they aren't, find a new driller!
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charlest · « **Reply #23 on:** February 09, 2006, 08:47:15 AM »

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I had pictures of what I think he was talking about, more less it is a CLT grip. Center line transefer, nothing new really and it has been around for a few years. I sent the pictures to a few people on here at one time in a .pdf format but I will have to go back and look on another harddrive I was useing. Here is a little more info on the lay out. http://www.bowlingthismonth.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=140&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=fbb0b8fe109d1819af3251cfa4dd7cfb
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Agreed, 110%.

This has all been said before, right here on ballreviews.com. CLT is just different pitches, but somehow people don't believe their eyes or won't believe the experts, insisting that this is something brand new.

"None are so blind as those who will not see."

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Edited on 2/9/2006 9:34 AM

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #24 on:** February 09, 2006, 09:00:14 AM »

I would like a clarification.

These are not 3 parallel lines??

If the answer is no....that the 3 lines cross each other.

1. I don't believe it is a clt. In a CLT the finger lines are both oriented down the same line. In this method each finger is oriented down a different line if I understand it right.
2. No one says an offset grip must end up with a ring finger that is too long.
That is only true if one places the fingers and then drills the thumb offset...thus lengthening the ring. If instead one measures the distance down the new line from center of thumb to ring and maintains span integrity then the offset thumb can maintain proper spans to each finger. Also even though this is then a shifted triangle...(in relation to Tgrip) IT does and will feel different as pitches are all oriented differently.

Anyone know the name of the Strickland book?

REgards,

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strikeking · « **Reply #25 on:** February 09, 2006, 06:29:27 PM »

I am not positive about the book title. I think it was "Perceptive Bowling".It has been awhile since some one stole my copy.
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CORDOG · « **Reply #26 on:** February 13, 2006, 10:02:00 PM »

somebody draw a diagram plaese im confused
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