Post by: strikeking on January 23, 2006, 06:50:34 AM
Most bowlers do not have the proper fit in their ball.Try this: Drill and fit the the thumb first. Layout the grip line and place the hand on the ball with the thumb in the hole. Mark the inside and outside of the first joint of the middle and ring fingers as they lay on each side of the center line. You will find that the ring finger is about 1/8" SHORTER than the middle finger. Why do most drillers make the ring finger LONGER than the middle finger? Because that's the way a "conventional" grip is drilled when you use the "second finger joint for measurement. The most comfortable span is actually 1/8" shorter than the measurementd you have marked on the ball. Here's something else interesting. Robert Strickland came up with a method of drilling that places the ball more balanced in relation to your hand and wrist. He uses 3 center lines instead of single line. It really does give a smoother , cleaner release. The thumb is drilled so that the right edge of the hole is touching the center grip line. The middle finger is drilled on a center line that runs through the center of the thumb and center of the middle finger. The ring finger is drilled on a line that runs through the center of the thumb and ring finger. All pitches and bridge spaceing remain as normal. I've had many bowlers tell me "this is the only grip" they will use.
Post by: Bowler-BK on February 04, 2006, 05:28:46 PM
Just wanted to let you know thatI experimented today and laid out a new Solution Plus using this method. Fantastic is all I can say. I have been fighting getting around the ball forever. Well, not any more. Wish I had know about it sooner. Thanks for posting it.
My driller pretty much disagreed with me doing it that way but he went ahead and punched it the way I had it laid out. He thought I would be hanging in the ball but he was dead wrong. Haven't cleared the thumb so easy before. All my equipment will be drilled like this from now on.
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Post by: strikeking on February 04, 2006, 09:08:44 PM
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Post by: Brickguy221 on February 04, 2006, 09:25:41 PM
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Post by: MillWorker on February 05, 2006, 11:35:51 AM
Bring the ball to my shop and I'll duplicate the grip using a traditional method. There is only one triangle in space with your span measurements, the rest is just copying pitch.
Post by: Speedburner89 on February 05, 2006, 12:04:03 PM
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Most bowlers do not have the proper fit in their ball
you can say that again, i know my fit is all screwy, i know little about drillings/layouts, and spans and such, but even i know i need to soon switch to equipment with a slightly shorter span and less lateral pitch, not to mention a tighter thumb hole to stop gripping the dang thing, and larger finger grips (my fingers don't even go into the first joint)
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Post by: LuckyLefty on February 05, 2006, 12:29:15 PM
Or the usual center grip line with thumb next to traditional center grip line?
Then two lines at angles drilled thru the fingers.
Also are the pitches entered along these new lines the old ones?
Are the spans along these lines used the same ones as before?
SO...if I understand it right...Thumb offset to under middle finger?
Spans retained the same but up different lines? Pitches entered for thumb are same as before? Pitches entered for fingers same as before but entered with the ball oriented along each of these intersecting two other lines(instead of standard eenter line? as one drills the middle finger...and then ring?
Correct?
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Post by: ballboy on February 05, 2006, 08:58:34 PM
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Isn't there only one way to measure pitches on a spherical object and that's through the centerline of the grip (center of bridge through center of thumb). This sounds like a version of the offset thumb drill. If you measure the pitches correctly this same drilling can be done without the 3 centerlines.
Post by: Speedburner89 on February 05, 2006, 09:09:07 PM
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Isn't there only one way to measure pitches on a spherical object and that's through the centerline of the grip (center of bridge through center of thumb).
yes, it makes perfect sense too, the physics of your hand doesn't let your thumb swing over that far, don't believe me, hold your hand in front of your face with the palm facing it and try to position your thumb so it end ups comfortable between your ring and middle fingers, chances are it won't work
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Post by: burly on February 05, 2006, 10:06:20 PM
I have an idea, but need a picture to get the full effect.
Post by: ws6boi on February 05, 2006, 10:36:26 PM
Post by: ballboy on February 06, 2006, 08:52:39 AM
Post by: MillWorker on February 06, 2006, 01:07:44 PM
Post by: Nuskoolstyleoldskoolballs on February 06, 2006, 11:38:19 PM
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Post by: TECH SUPPORT on February 07, 2006, 06:45:47 AM
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Post by: Bowler19 on February 07, 2006, 07:06:52 AM
Edge of hole halfway between first and second joint.
This was approx. 1/4 inches shorter than my conventional grip.
This has helped me with my tendons and my fingers breaking open.
I have been carrying a lot better aswell.
It gave me more control over the balls rotation.(ie/ forward-side, high rev to low rev)
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Post by: JohnP on February 07, 2006, 10:24:00 AM
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I am tempted to get a cheap ball and try it out, what can it hurt right?
An even less expensive way -- get out one of your old balls you don't use any longer. Take it to your driller and ask him to drill the layout in an area of the ball without any holes, don't use grips or a slug. Don't worry about static weights since you're only going to use this to try the grip and not in competition. It would be nice if he could lay it out so it doesn't roll over any existing holes. His charge should be minimum, I would do it for free if there was a good chance of a ball purchase resulting. -- JohnP
Post by: strikeking on February 07, 2006, 11:32:11 AM
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Post by: chitown on February 08, 2006, 10:15:16 PM
This is an CLT or off set thumb layout. This is what I use and it feels awesome on the hand. In fact with this layout I can get more of my palm on the ball. This is a lot better than your standard T grip layout.
Post by: chitown on February 08, 2006, 10:21:45 PM
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Some of you have it basically right. Just remember the Middle finger is drilled as normal using the grip center line. The thumb is then drilled off of a center line that goes through the middle finger and is set to the side of the original center line. The ring finger is drilled on a center line that goes through the center of the thumb. All pitches are from the respective center lines of the particular hole you are drilling. Not from the original center line. This will put the center line of the ball in line with the center of your hand and arm. This grip was developed by Robert Strickland and he published a book on it. You might try your local library. The reason most drillers do not like to use this layout is you must re-set the ball before you drill each hole.
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What ever way you want to measure it all that is going on with this layout is the ring finger is longer than the middle. I have this same layout on my ball. The thumb looks off set. In reality if you measure this layout after drilling and measure it off of a line going in between the fingers thru the middle of the thumb what do you think you will find? You will find the middle finger longer than the ring. That is all this is.
Post by: hskrntx on February 09, 2006, 07:54:15 AM
A good driller will drill the ball based on the measurements of each person's hand, and not on some "standard" way of doing it! If they aren't, find a new driller!
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Post by: charlest on February 09, 2006, 08:47:15 AM
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I had pictures of what I think he was talking about, more less it is a CLT grip. Center line transefer, nothing new really and it has been around for a few years. I sent the pictures to a few people on here at one time in a .pdf format but I will have to go back and look on another harddrive I was useing. Here is a little more info on the lay out. http://www.bowlingthismonth.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=140&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=fbb0b8fe109d1819af3251cfa4dd7cfb
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Agreed, 110%.
This has all been said before, right here on ballreviews.com. CLT is just different pitches, but somehow people don't believe their eyes or won't believe the experts, insisting that this is something brand new.
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
sigh ...
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Post by: LuckyLefty on February 09, 2006, 09:00:14 AM
These are not 3 parallel lines??
If the answer is no....that the 3 lines cross each other.
1. I don't believe it is a clt. In a CLT the finger lines are both oriented down the same line. In this method each finger is oriented down a different line if I understand it right.
2. No one says an offset grip must end up with a ring finger that is too long.
That is only true if one places the fingers and then drills the thumb offset...thus lengthening the ring. If instead one measures the distance down the new line from center of thumb to ring and maintains span integrity then the offset thumb can maintain proper spans to each finger. Also even though this is then a shifted triangle...(in relation to Tgrip) IT does and will feel different as pitches are all oriented differently.
Anyone know the name of the Strickland book?
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Post by: strikeking on February 09, 2006, 06:29:27 PM
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