win a ball from Bowling.com
« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2

Author Topic: Span Length Question  (Read 7977 times)

TheGom

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 577
Span Length Question
« on: August 25, 2015, 11:25:43 PM »
Have a one year league bowler on my team who was fitted last year for a new ball.
Finger tip and thumb slug.

If his span is to big what type of results would we be seeing from that?

Based on the Wiki fit I feel it is 3/8" to long as he only gets 3/4's of his fingers tips into the ball. He's been throwing a slight back up.

Is the span hurting his chances to learn how to throw a slight hook?

Thanks
Logged

 

charlest

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24526
Re: Span Length Question
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2015, 07:48:19 AM »
Depending on how hard he throws and how often, he could just plain be damaging his fingers ad his hand, never mind about learning to throw a hook.

If he needs to learn to bowl, he should see a good coach.

Also, if he doesn't know how to throw a hook and he just got a finger tip ball drilled, he may just not know how to throw a bowling ball, how to seat his thumb and his fingers, how to hold the ball, hot to release it, etc.

Was the ball drilled by either an IBPSIA certified pro shop or by a good driller (that you are aware of)?
Logged
"None are so blind as those who will not see."

TheGom

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 577
Re: Span Length Question
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2015, 08:21:30 AM »
Quote from: charlest on August 26, 2015, 07:48:19 AM
Depending on how hard he throws and how often, he could just plain be damaging his fingers ad his hand, never mind about learning to throw a hook.

If he needs to learn to bowl, he should see a good coach.

Also, if he doesn't know how to throw a hook and he just got a finger tip ball drilled, he may just not know how to throw a bowling ball, how to seat his thumb and his fingers, how to hold the ball, hot to release it, etc.

Was the ball drilled by either an IBPSIA certified pro shop or by a good driller (that you are aware of)?

Thanks Charlest, yes the person who drills my balls did his....not sure what happened as I was not there for his fitting. His speed is about 16 at the back of the lanes with a 14lb ball but he is never in the dry area of the lane. He is a head pro at a golf course so he has some ability with eye hand.

I just think that he is trying to hold on so to the ball with that span so much that it hampers his ability to learn a proper release.
Logged

JohnP

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5819
Re: Span Length Question
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2015, 12:12:44 PM »
Have him put his thumb fully into it's hole and lay his fingers over their holes.  Keep the web between the thumb and index finger relaxed.  The gripping edge of the fingers should fall half way between his first and second joints.  --  JohnP
Logged

JustRico

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2652
Re: Span Length Question
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2015, 12:14:12 PM »
 Place his thumb in the thumb hole and somewhat relaxed place his hand/fingers over lapping the finger holes...eliminating flexibility the appropriate crease should direct the finger hole
Logged
Co-author of BowlTec's END GAMES ~ A Bowler's COMPLETE Guide to Bowling; Head Games ~ the MENTAL approach to bowling (and sports) & (r)eVolve
...where knowledge creates striking results...
BowlTEc on facebook...www.iBowlTec.com

bullred

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 301
Re: Span Length Question
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2015, 12:37:46 PM »
More "guru" mumbo jumbo from Rico.

Quote "eliminating flexibility the appropriate crease should direct the fingerhole"      Really???

Take the advice of JohnP   Maybe consider stretching the persons thumb/hand  web before measuring

Logged

JustRico

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2652
Re: Span Length Question
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2015, 12:51:03 PM »
A. Flexibility plays a HUGE part of the span and B. It was supposed to be dissect...

Thank you for your GREAT advice...
Logged
Co-author of BowlTec's END GAMES ~ A Bowler's COMPLETE Guide to Bowling; Head Games ~ the MENTAL approach to bowling (and sports) & (r)eVolve
...where knowledge creates striking results...
BowlTEc on facebook...www.iBowlTec.com

TheGom

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 577
Re: Span Length Question
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2015, 03:39:34 PM »
Quote from: bullred on August 26, 2015, 12:37:46 PM
More "guru" mumbo jumbo from Rico.

Quote "eliminating flexibility the appropriate crease should direct the fingerhole"      Really???

Take the advice of JohnP   Maybe consider stretching the persons thumb/hand  web before measuring

Thanks for both of your comments....JR, hard for me to understand your post. "The appropriate creases should direct the finger holes"

First off, what are the appropriate creases? Next, what is direct the finger holes? Maybe you meant directly over the finger holes, but without knowning what the appropriate creases are, I am lost. Sorry
Logged

TheGom

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 577
Re: Span Length Question
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2015, 03:51:14 PM »
Quote from: JohnP on August 26, 2015, 12:12:44 PM
Have him put his thumb fully into it's hole and lay his fingers over their holes.  Keep the web between the thumb and index finger relaxed.  The gripping edge of the fingers should fall half way between his first and second joints.  --  JohnP

Thanks John,

I did this last night...it was just past the last joint crease on the finger tip side of the crease, so about 1/2" to long.

We will get it fixed, but I am more interested in the effects that it has on a person when the span is way to long....to me, it seems that it would add a ton of tension since he is gripping the ball to hang onto it. Hard for it to come off the hand properly and hard to apply what people are telling him about proper rotation.

Thanks
Logged

JustRico

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2652
Re: Span Length Question
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2015, 04:28:14 PM »
If it's a finger tip grip the last joint/crease should dissect the gripping hole...
Logged
Co-author of BowlTec's END GAMES ~ A Bowler's COMPLETE Guide to Bowling; Head Games ~ the MENTAL approach to bowling (and sports) & (r)eVolve
...where knowledge creates striking results...
BowlTEc on facebook...www.iBowlTec.com

TheGom

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 577
Re: Span Length Question
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2015, 05:25:20 PM »
Quote from: JustRico on August 26, 2015, 04:28:14 PM
If it's a finger tip grip the last joint/crease should dissect the gripping hole...

So, wiki says the grip edge should be between the two creases and you say that the last crease should divide the gripping hole in two....is that correct.

Can you explain why you feel this is a better fit please for my own knowledge because I am between my creases and had issues with a span longer than this in the past.

Thanks
Logged

JustRico

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2652
Re: Span Length Question
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2015, 05:33:33 PM »
In between the creases is vague...if the crease or knuckle splits the finger insert it is closer to precise
This is also eliminating flexibility issues...minimal flexibility can decrease or shrink the span
Logged
Co-author of BowlTec's END GAMES ~ A Bowler's COMPLETE Guide to Bowling; Head Games ~ the MENTAL approach to bowling (and sports) & (r)eVolve
...where knowledge creates striking results...
BowlTEc on facebook...www.iBowlTec.com

MI 2 AZ

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8156
Re: Span Length Question
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2015, 10:39:30 PM »
Bisect the fingerhole?


 :)
« Last Edit: August 26, 2015, 10:43:20 PM by MI 2 AZ »
Logged
_________________________________________
Six decades of league bowling and still learning.

ABC/USBC Lifetime Member since Aug 1995.

JohnP

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5819
Re: Span Length Question
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2015, 05:36:13 PM »
There's very little difference in the result between Rico's procedure and mine.  Mine eliminates small variations because of the size of the finger holes.

Gom - Don't wait to get the spans fixed.  He's probably not putting his thumb and/or his fingers all the way in the hole with the spans that long.  --  JohnP
Logged

TheGom

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 577
Re: Span Length Question
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2015, 04:21:01 PM »
Thanks for the info everyone....ball is at the driller right now for my buddy...5/16" shorter based on all this info and Wiki.
Logged
Pages: [1] 2
« previous next »