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bowlerstyle

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span to pitch ratios
« on: August 11, 2004, 12:03:14 AM »
if you adjust your span, how much would you adjust your pitches?  hypothetical question, say you have a span of 4 1/2 and 4 5/8 and you have 1/8 reverse pitch on both of the fingers.  If you were to make the span longer by say a 1/16 or even 1/8 how much reverse pitch would you add to the fingers to adjust for this span movement?  and also would you have to do anything pitch wise to the thumb?

 

bowlerstyle

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Re: span to pitch ratios
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2004, 03:21:22 PM »
comon someone out there has to know this?  I guess I'll have to wait for some of the experts to sign online.

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Re: span to pitch ratios
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2004, 03:25:30 PM »
Lateral thumb pitch.

Grab coke bottle, if one has thumb point at index finger= 1/8 lateral out between index and middle = 0 lateral
middle finger 1/8 lateral under palm
between middle and ring 1/4 lateral under palm.

Reverse pitch thumb Bill insists chart tells all4 1/4 span done in a relaxed way = 0 forward reverse pitch.
Each 1/8 inch longer leads to 1/16 more reverse.
Each 1/8 forward leads to 1/16 more forward.
Each of these settings is what Bill calls the 63 degree method between thumb and span angle.

Finger laterals he says are all comfort with no utility, standard is 0 right middle finger and 5/8 lateral right ring.(I don't see many drillers doing this.)Finger forward reverse he claims are a matter of utility, more forward more lift, more reverse less hit and lift. Standard he says with proper thumb pitch is 0 for all fingertips.

Also to increase finger forward pitch one must decrease the span on that finger to give the same feel.
Be careful do not increase finger forward without decreasing span! It can cause strain and injuries to fingers.

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On edit
I forget the exact ratios for the fingers, but I think it's
for every 32nd or 16th forward in the fingers you shorten the span an 8th

Edited on 8/11/2004 3:21 PM

bowlerstyle

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Re: span to pitch ratios
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2004, 03:31:23 PM »
ok I knew that part but is there any type of incrementing system?  so say you increase the span 1/16 would you also increase the reverse 1/16 or another value?

livespive

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Re: span to pitch ratios
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2004, 03:39:44 PM »
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ok I knew that part but is there any type of incrementing system?  so say you increase the span 1/16 would you also increase the reverse 1/16 or another value?


Yeah you just work it backwards

Increase the span an 8th back off on the forward by a 16 or 32 (forget which)
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Re: span to pitch ratios
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2004, 03:47:51 PM »
Here is what I have always been told and it works for me and that is to use a 1/8 span to 1/16 pitch ratio....Increase span 1/8, increase pitch 1/16.....Decrease span 1/8, decrease pitch 1/16.....Hope this helps.
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LuckyLefty

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Re: span to pitch ratios
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2004, 03:52:58 PM »
That is exactly what the chart shown here be livespice shows.

For a 1/8 increase in span increase reverse 1/16 for a 1/8 decrease in span decrease reverse 1/16.  This ratio holds thru table all the way!
ie 1/4 increase in span increase reverse 1/8.  is 2 to 1.

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bowlerstyle

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Re: span to pitch ratios
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2004, 04:08:16 PM »
Thanks a lot guys, that was really helpful because I have always wondered about that but never asked anyone. Thanks again.

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Re: span to pitch ratios
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2004, 04:18:07 PM »
This is all based on Bill Taylor's definitive work, "Fitting and Drilling a bowling ball".

He determined these pitches on what he called his 63 degree angle theory.
This 63 degrees is calculated by drawing a line from the front edge of a finger hole straight thru the ball to the front top edge of thumb hole and then drawing a line down the front surface of the thumbhole.

Bill determined that 63 degrees worked for almost all people.  Whether conventional or fingertip!

Tweaks to this method were people with short dry flexible thumbs subtract 1/8 of an inch of reverse(or increase forward) to get the same holding power.  These people tend to drop the ball.

As people who have long wet stiff thumbs add 1/8 of an inch to the tables to be able to get out of the thumbhole.

The dividing line between short and long is 2 1/4 inches.

Remember the basic 0 forward reverse pitch is 4 1/4 span.  Longer more reverse shorter more forward.

As a point of interest I find I need to usually be about 1/8 of an inch or slightly more forward from this table to get the holding power I like!

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JohnP

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Re: span to pitch ratios
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2004, 11:17:25 PM »
Forward or reverse pitch of finger holes - starting point for an individual must be determined by joint flexibility.  --  JohnP