BowlingForDonuts, thanks a lot for your report on the Creed. It's a shame it didn't work out as well as you hoped, but at least you tried.

Thinking about the Negative Axis Point, would having a pin that's ~5 inches from the NAP (I think that makes it about ~8.5 inches from the PAP) cause a more stable roll?

I would assume so and that is what was recommended if I did want to go the pin under thumb route but gave up on reverse flare.  Been working on my release to not come around the ball so early.  Still have plenty of axis tilt but exotic drillings (to me) are probably not going to be the answer (ie no magic drilling for an iffy inconsistent release which slow but surely I am improving).  Creed is a great ball though and new more conventional drilling on it works well so far.  At least I know the perfect layout of making a reactive go dead straight if I ever need it lol.

Quote from: BowlingForDonuts on November 19, 2018, 10:26:47 AM

Quote from: n00dlejester on November 19, 2018, 09:20:34 AM

BowlingForDonuts, thanks a lot for your report on the Creed. It's a shame it didn't work out as well as you hoped, but at least you tried.

Thinking about the Negative Axis Point, would having a pin that's ~5 inches from the NAP (I think that makes it about ~8.5 inches from the PAP) cause a more stable roll?

I would assume so and that is what was recommended if I did want to go the pin under thumb route but gave up on reverse flare.  Been working on my release to not come around the ball so early.  Still have plenty of axis tilt but exotic drillings (to me) are probably not going to be the answer (ie no magic drilling for an iffy inconsistent release which slow but surely I am improving).  Creed is a great ball though and new more conventional drilling on it works well so far.  At least I know the perfect layout of making a reactive go dead straight if I ever need it lol.

That's fair enough, Mr. Donuts. I've been trying to do exactly what you do - work on less spinny release, and also exotic drillings. For me. I was able to spin it less by lengthening my span quite a bit (I think 3/8 of an inch). I went from a PAP that was 4 1/4 over and 5/8 up to 5 over and 1/4 up. It's HARD though, to get it all to feel proper.

Do you find certain brands roll better for you? I have a few brands I just can NOT throw because they roll so forward it's ludicrous.

I am speed dominant so help getting into a forward roll is a good thing for me.  So far the only brands I have had problems with is the super strong cover stocks from Radical.  Particle balls are also a no no unless have a ton of oil up front.  For whatever reason I seem to match up better with higher RG 2 piece stuff from all the brands I have tried so far.  I find with my straighter angles that 2 piece hit will often save me from nasty splits (and a few less 5 pins the bane at least of this spinner).  With less early turn on my release I am starting to get the ball to read the midlane better so maybe the lower RG stuff actually reading the oil early and giving me the miss room others enjoy on THS will also be a good thing.