Author Topic: Stacked vs. Pin over bridge (Read 9992 times)

mikeywg · « **on:** December 01, 2007, 09:00:05 AM »

I am looking into using these 2 layouts on my next purchase.

I am wanting to know what to expect from each layout PRO'S & CON'S.
EXPECIALLY expected reaction.
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balibowler · « **Reply #1 on:** December 01, 2007, 05:05:25 PM »

lol, wanna give up any stats on your game? or would you like a shot in the dark?
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pjr300 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 01, 2007, 05:18:59 PM »

Pin over bridge should give more length.... but everything is dependant on where you place the mass bias or the CG.....
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Sawuser · « **Reply #3 on:** December 01, 2007, 05:24:15 PM »

I'm sure the pro drillers need a little info, like your bowling style, speed, rev rate, & especially your PAP.
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charlest · « **Reply #4 on:** December 01, 2007, 06:34:56 PM »

quote:
I am looking into using these 2 layouts on my next purchase.

I am wanting to know what to expect from each layout PRO'S & CON'S.
EXPECIALLY expected reaction.

EXPLICITLY,
the position of the pin with respect to the finger holes or the bridge or any hole in the ball don't mean a darned thing.

The ONLY, THE ONE AND ONLY THING THAT MATTERS, isssssssssssssssssssssssss
the position of the pin with respect to your Positive Axis Point.

A secondary influence will be th eposition of the MB of a strong MB ball with respect to your PAP.

A tertiary (yes, third level) influence will be the height of the pin above the midline.

Pin to PAP is the 60 - 85% influence in drilling.

Drlling is 49Th in influence after the bowler's release and the ball's surface/coverstock.

END OF THE BALL REACTION STORY.

(Sorry; I've had all I can read tonight, in fact, too much of the pin positIon WITH RESPECT to the ***** holes, which mean less than nothing.)
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pjr300 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 01, 2007, 06:37:14 PM »

Charlest is right. My comment above assumes an general 5"-ish PAP but this not always the case... YMMV....
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Brandon Riley · « **Reply #6 on:** December 01, 2007, 06:45:47 PM »

for the average joe, pin above the fingers adds length (longer pin-pap). stacked just makes your ball want to flip and hook. i honestly believe that too many bowlers have too many balls laid out stacked. max hook isn't necessarilly a good thing, although a lot of people seem to think so...
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azguy · « **Reply #7 on:** December 01, 2007, 06:58:09 PM »

This site may help, may not....
http://marketing.lanemasters.com/LM_Ball%20Drilling%20Instructions.pdf

Explains a lot, maybe it's an answer you are looking for. Keep in mind, every bowler (pap/release) is different and what works for one may/may not work for another.

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charlest · « **Reply #8 on:** December 01, 2007, 07:15:19 PM »

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for the average joe, pin above the fingers adds length (longer pin-pap). ...
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I know I'm going to regret this, but, as far as I have learned, NO.

Length is a trivial side effect.

Again, as far as I have learned ...
Comparisons of pin over the "brdige area" compared to pin under the "bridge area" MUST, for the sake of a TRUE comparison, have identical pin to PAP distances. In that case, WITH THE SAME PIN DISTANCE, a high pin causes, IN GENERAL, a faster skid/hook/roll cycle transition; some people call this an increase in the skid/flip tendency, ALTHOUGH it may not be a true skid/flip reaction. A lower pin causes a slower one; some people call this a more arc-like reaction, ALTHOUGH it may still be a skid/flip reaction. It will be less of a skid/flip reaction. Length is a trivial and, in most cases, very slight side effect.

Longer pin to PAP distance cause a higher EFFECTIVE or DRILLED RG and lower RG differential, which, in turn, causes less flare and often, less overall hook. Where this "Less flare' is applied is determined by a number of factors, some of which are the the bowler's rev rate, the surface of the ball and its interaction with the lane's friction, along the path of the ball.
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Edited on 12/1/2007 8:17 PM

Greg T · « **Reply #9 on:** December 01, 2007, 09:29:28 PM »

And dont forget, you can still have the pin over the bridge with a stacked layout.

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bluerrpilot · « **Reply #10 on:** December 01, 2007, 09:48:06 PM »

How come nobody has mentiond that "Stacked" just means the pin and cg are the same distance from the PAP. Regardless of what that distance is.

Mikey, you should be thinking....what pin to pap distance do I want?
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Greg T · « **Reply #11 on:** December 01, 2007, 09:51:26 PM »

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How come nobody has mentiond that "Stacked" just means the pin and cg are the same distance from the PAP. Regardless of what that distance is.

I did.

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302efi · « **Reply #12 on:** December 01, 2007, 09:52:45 PM »

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Drlling is 49Th in influence after the bowler's release and the ball's surface/coverstock.

Wrong...

Lets see a 3/4 roller throw a full roller drilled ball

quote:
Pin to PAP is the 60 - 85% influence in drilling.

How can you say up to 85% of reaction, then say the drilling is the 49th thing to worry about ?

OP...Please take all info posted with caution

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Edited on 12/1/2007 10:53 PM

charlest · « **Reply #13 on:** December 01, 2007, 10:37:51 PM »

quote:
quote:
Drlling is 49Th in influence after the bowler's release and the ball's surface/coverstock.

Wrong...

Lets see a 3/4 roller throw a full roller drilled ball

been there; done that; no sweat. Still bigger influence than the drill.

don't be childish about this, please. You might as well say, IF you threw the ball without any holes.

quote:

quote:
Pin to PAP is the 60 - 85% influence in drilling.

How can you say up to 85% of reaction, then say the drilling is the 49th thing to worry about ?

OP...Please take all info posted with caution
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I posted with extreme caution and with extreme reluctance.
Now, you, please read, again, with caution.

I did not say that the pin to pap was 85% of the reaction. I said pin to pap was 85% of the reaction in the drilling, or if you want to be super-explicit, caused by the drilling, 85% of the reaction contributed to by the drilling.
Now, is that clear?

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Edited on 12/1/2007 11:39 PM

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #14 on:** December 02, 2007, 07:43:04 PM »

A pin above bridge ball CAN be stacked.

Just different from stacked leverage.

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